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Anyone wanting to dispute the inherent misogyny of these places...I am willing to bet that if I went to a strip club and applied for a job...I would not feel respected, but rather degraded, by any hiring manager. If a younger thinner more attractive woman did the same social experiment she may report a different result - but that doesn't mean she was respected as a human being. Her human value and my human value would both be judged on the basis of how conventionally "sexy" we are. Not even our economic productivity value - but our value as human beings. Anyone else want to try out my theory? How do you think you would be treated by the men evaluating you for the position if you applied for a job at a strip club? Even if you polished up your resume and highlighted all your "transferrable skills"? Be honest with yourselves...and your answer will tell you what you need to know about whether that industry is just or not. Any other "regular" job, I would be entitled to be respectfully refused for reasons that are non-discriminatory under human rights laws - but it wouldn't happen at a strip club (I'd bet money on it - speaking of gambling - I'm so sure I wouldn't be treated respectfully if I applied for a stripping job)
 
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Omitting, transferable - can I fix those admins? It bugs me when I do that and notice it later.

As for the discussion itself, I know how these go - my opinion won't likely change so I've said and read enough.
 
There is no place for a rye soul in this world ... so intellect must be covered up ... obscure ... then there's that distinct case of V-Nous and the dark Adonis ... jah just got to wonder what's inside that alchemii ...

Now if real people had respect, reverence and fear on not following the first two conditions ... and hermeneutic consequence ... would things be different? Just a phantom of thought ... as IT ghosts bi ... some don't catch such things as they rather not accumulate nothings ... like emotions and intelligence ... they just like Terre Tory and dirt as PC ... another oxymoron! Like Jae Sue ... word familiarity is below those in high places?

There are some believe so ... but as manifest (appearances here may not be) ... thus the concept of becoming ... something else again? There's a jump from institutional ...
 
If i apply to a gym, I am going to be hired based on my physical ability, as are firefighters and paramedics.
Rocket scientists are hired based on brains.
Models and strippers are hired based on looks and ability to appeal in their medium. (Not all models are what some might call beautiful -- there is an agency near my hotel, and they regularly stay there. They require an intelligence in their area. They tend to be interesting/intriguing faces) (Not all strippers are what others might consider beautiful, either. They require an emotional IQ in the appeal area ).
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I have worked with folks whose brains just didn't fire fast enough nor were they able to do the higher level processing required to do certain work.
I have also worked with folks whose social skills would never be sufficient for other work.

Both groups were able to find great jobs in the areas they excelled at.

There seems to be a bias here.....and it is a bias against people with looks who get jobs due to them, or an awareness of sexual attraction.

It seems intellectually snobbish to me.

Let people use the gifts that they have, whether they be intellectual, physical or emotional to get the best job for them, and pay them accordingly.
 
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Pinga said:
If i apply to a gym, I am going to be hired based on my physical ability, as are firefighters and paramedics.
Rocket scientists are hired based on brains.
Models and strippers are hired based on looks and ability to appeal in their medium. (Not all models are what some might call beautiful -- there is an agency near my hotel, and they regularly stay there. They require an intelligence in their area. They tend to be interesting/intriguing faces) (Not all strippers are what others might consider beautiful, either. They require an emotional IQ in the appeal area ).
Photographers need the composition eye


I have worked with folks whose brains just didn't fire fast enough nor were they able to do the higher level processing required to do certain work.
I have also worked with folks whose social skills would never be sufficient for other work.

Both groups were able to find great jobs in the areas they excelled at.

There seems to be a bias here.....and it is a bias against people with looks who get jobs due to them, or an awareness of sexual attraction.

It seems intellectually snobbish to me.

Let people use the gifts that they have, whether they be intellectual, physical or emotional to get the best job for them, and pay them accordingly.
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Ah, Pinga. You don't get it.( I am not saying imperfect looking people can't be sexy either - I think they can- a strip club owner is going to have a particular idea about that though) If I, or most of us here (unless you look like a 20 something "hottie) applied for a job as a stripper - if anyone is overweight, has blemishes or scars, has breasts that are not "perky" or uneven, or too small, decides to leave any pubic hair intact - and they would have to "show their goods" for approval- and nevermind a disability forget about even trying - not only would they be rejected for the job, they would be mocked and insulted. I'd bet on it. It wouldn't matter if one could dance or felt comfortable in their own skin - they'd have to be passable for the close-ups in gyno row (the front row - but it is really called that). If you don't think that's misogynist and degrading I don't know what else to say.
 
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Looks are not skills, like firefighters or nurses. Fashion models have ridiculous expectations put on their looks to the point of anorexia - I just read an article about a woman considered plus size - and she had a figure like Ursula Andrews in the 60s. And the whole "thigh-gap" trend...Stupid and wrong. But fashion models have the benefit of photoshop now. Strippers don't. Pinga your attitude about these things, I don't think helps equality one bit.
 
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How are dancers paid at strip clubs? Does the club pay them a certain amount for every dance? I heard from a friend who went to a strip club say that dancers had to bring their own music and that the strip club didn't pay them anything. They had to ask the patrons there if they would like a private dance for about $20 to make any money. So if the customer wanted say five private dances it would cost about $100. He referred to the front row of the strip club as pervert's row.
 
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City council is voting on the first strip club in Sask. tonight.

It is MPO that we don't need it and it is demeaning to the women who strip ( although

it does mean a paycheck)).

What is your opinion.

By the way, it is suppose to pass at council.
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So from what I have read, it's not about the 'stripping' it's about the 'clubbing'. There are strip joints in Sask, they just don't have alcohol. That seems silly to me. I actually think if they were serving alcohol it would make it a bit safer, as there's some control as to what's going on rather than people consuming whatever before showing up. The latter would still happen, although hopefully less frequently.
 
What is funny is that the ability to acquire skills is based on genetic makeup yet some seem to have a lofty and disrespectful attitude to abilities and capabilities based on other genetic makeup.

You can't be a firefif without strength. I am fairly sure many with physical disabilities could not do the job. Would you call that restrictions misogyny?
 
Pinga said:
What is funny is that the ability to acquire skills is based on genetic makeup yet some seem to have a lofty and disrespectful attitude to abilities and capabilities based on other genetic makeup.

You can't be a firefif without strength. I am fairly sure many with physical disabilities could not do the job. Would you call that restrictions misogyny?
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Again, you completely miss the point. You know the law now about "reasonable accommodation", right? If you hire people, you should know it. If you can do the job and are qualified for it then a disability must be reasonably accommodated to the point of undue hardship - which is not just an employer saying it's too much to think about and not a good fit for their business. The purpose is to level the playing field. Think for a moment how that would work in a strip club. It wouldn't (even if a person could pole dance and was attractive - it just wouldn't.) The decision about "sexy" is totally arbitrary - and in a place where the objective is to bring in money - it's based on porn star cookie cutter standards that are determined by some random (pervy) club owner looking them up and down and behind and underneath -I know about this a good friend of mine used to work as a stripper several places, and dated an owner for a bit. If you think that's okay to base decisions on superficial arbitrary standards sets mostly by the porn industry, think really what that does for sexual equality and for human rights - and for all the average looking women in the world - and their self worth- how it changes how they value themselves or how men learn to value them.

Dove soap started a campaign to help women rethink body image. Strip clubs take us backwards to a time where women may as well have been chattel and their only value is in how much of a pretty thing they are.
 
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Carolla said:
Some people posit that stripping is, or can be, a feminist statement ... this author argues it's not about the stripping, it's about the ability to earn money, and the poverty is perhaps a bigger objectifier. http://www.alternet.org/story/51408/is_stripping_a_feminist_act
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Oh, poverty is not a fun spot to be in. It doesn't do much for self esteem. Hence why some women end up making desperate decisions to strip. It's not a feminist statement! To say it's a feminist statement is a cop-out and a false justification for demeaning women and for not taking responsibilities as members of society to create better opportunities for women! It wasn't a feminist statement when Hugh Heffner started his bunny clubs and it's even less of a feminist statement now. Go to a strip club on the edge of downtown and ask the strippers if they feel their work is a feminist statement.
 
Kimmio, I agree with you . There is only one reason, women are stripping and that is to make money.
They make money from men.
And you , Chemgal, are right = no alcohol unless this liquor law is changed in Saskatchewan.
if you had a daughter, would you like them stripping with men ogling ?
If you had a son would you want him ogling?
 
This is third wave feminism, and I think it's bulls**t and that women who are "hip to it" now will regret the corners that they backed their daughters and granddaughters into.
 
crazyheart said:
if you had a daughter, would you like them stripping with men ogling ?
If you had a son would you want him ogling?
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That's not the issue though. The questions I see in this instance are:
If you had a daughter and she strips, would you prefer if the men could buy a drink while ogling?
If you had a son, would you want him to be able to drink while ogling, or should he not be able to have a drink while ogling?
 
Pinga said:
Lol, my first friend that stripped was part of our feminist community from the 70's. Yeah, she knew what she was doing.
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Maybe she was duped into getting onto the cutting edge of the third wave trend that screwed up the direction that feminism went in which later forced women into bad choices under the guise of feminism, instead of better opportunities for all women.
 
ChemGal said:
That's not the issue though. The questions I see in this instance are:
If you had a daughter and she strips, would you prefer if the men could buy a drink while ogling?
If you had a son, would you want him to be able to drink while ogling, or should he not be able to have a drink while ogling?
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No. No. And no.
 
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