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It is appealing for some to watch someone remove their clothes in a provocative manner.

It is appealing for some to watch opera

It is appealing for some to watch a hockey game.
 
Pr. Jae said:
Strip clubs clearly discriminate on the basis of physical appearance - which seems to be the one prejudice still allowable in our society.

Now take me - I enjoy stripping - and - if I do say so myself - I'm rather quite good at it. I feel good in my own skin - I enjoy the movements of my own body - and I surely do have rhythm.

However - do you imagine I could find employment as a stripper? I feel that no - I couldn't - due to my genetics - and I feel that's unfair.

Equal rights for us uglies!
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Jae didn't you make an appearance in The Full Monty? :sneaky:
 
dreamerman said:
Jae didn't you make an appearance in The Full Monty? :sneaky:
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Yeah, you see, look at that example. It was about regular not stereotypically beautiful men - the neighbourhood husbands - having fun taking their clothes off for women who were having fun and a sense of humour with it. Not creeping, leering women expecting them to have unrealistic bodies. The same movie about average housewives instead of husbands would not go over as well with most men, I'd bet. Because unrealistic standards have been set for us women.
 
That was a funny movie. Also, there was a good British one regarding a bunch of older women and a calendar. hmmm...what was it called?
 
I once went to a show with friends that included a live sex act. It was an interesting experience. Movie theatre size location.
 
For awhile I was thinking that I was being called a fool. lol

Saskatchewan, imo, has some screwy ideas. People(in some theaters) can buy beer

and drink it during the movie. Totally unneeded as far as I am concerned.

How about a beer as you come in to church and sit and drink it during the sermon.

Stripping , strippers, pole dancing, lap dancing are all unneeded, imo.

I've been and I have seen the dancers. The ones I saw where in their own world.

There was nothing on their faces except boredom . They did not enjoy what they were doing.

They took the money while guys hee hawed around them. Demeaning to women - yes.

But their choice - yes.
 
Pinga said:
It is appealing for some to watch someone remove their clothes in a provocative manner.

It is appealing for some to watch opera

It is appealing for some to watch a hockey game.
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Yeah, but like I said it looks more like a mass crack addiction - that sets an unrealistic standard that everyday women compare themselves to - than a legitimate entertainment hobby. It creates a situation where if men grow up to expect that then women will constantly feel lesser if they can't attain it. And the more extreme the standards of beauty are, the less a place there is for regular women to have self esteem regardless of imperfect body type. And the sex business makes more and more money off of their unrealistic striving.

Not many women expect their partners to be pro hockey players or sing like Pavarotti. That's not a standard. But more and more men have raised the bar for what "sexy" should be - thanks to the sex business knowing just how to work on the human psyche to make money.
 
Kimmio said:
Yeah, you see, look at that example. It was about regular not stereotypically beautiful men - the neighbourhood husbands - having fun taking their clothes off for women who were having fun and a sense of humour with it. Not creeping, leering women expecting them to have unrealistic bodies. The same movie about average housewives instead of husbands would not go over as well with most men, I'd bet. Because unrealistic standards have been set for us women.
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Oh yeah just look at the Chippendales. The women going to watch them are just waiting for the balding middle aged fat guy to come on stage so they can start cheering. I think not! If that was the case I might be looking at a career move.
 
Kimmio,

so now that she's answered your question

can you answer hers?

Pinga said:
So, you dont' have a problem with people stripping for money; however, you do have a problem with abusive behaviour or manipulative behaviour in the strip club workplace?

Is that correct?
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She's trying to practice a form of agape which requires sussing out your beliefs...

my advice to you, since this is one of your trigger issues, is to leave :3
 
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Well I went to a strip bar with my friend many years ago that included a duo competition with girls dressed like Daisy Duke dancing to "Cotton Eyed Joe" dance mix, with the two girls ending up naked having a "picnic" licking peanut butter off each others' torsos and it got a standing ovation. And in retrospect I think that's appalling. What's your point? @Pinga
 
crazyheart said:
For awhile I was thinking that I was being called a fool. lol

Saskatchewan, imo, has some screwy ideas. People(in some theaters) can buy beer

and drink it during the movie. Totally unneeded as far as I am concerned.

How about a beer as you come in to church and sit and drink it during the sermon.
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as long as ye gots the roofer, yer alright :love:

i love being surprised -- i can call myself 'Canadian' and then get surprised when i hear something that, t'me, is new

i haven't been to all places in Canada -- in fact, i've only been to a minority of them so i'm sure there is a lot of culture and history and behaviours that their holders would call Canadian that i still haven't experienced :3
 
Kimmio said:
Well I went to a strip bar with my friend many years ago that included a duo competition with girls dressed like Daisy Duke dancing to "Cotton Eyed Joe" dance mix, with the two girls ending up naked having a "picnic" licking peanut butter off each others' torsos and it got a standing ovation. And in retrospect I think that's appalling. What's your point?
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I am not sure whom you are addressing here Kimmio. It would help if you quoted the person you were addressing or used their name.
 
dreamerman said:
Oh yeah just look at the Chippendales. The women going to watch them are just waiting for the balding middle aged fat guy to come on stage so they can start cheering. I think not! If that was the case I might be looking at a career move.
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I've been to a couple of staggettes with male dancers and women are generally having fun not leering and getting all horned up in the corner. It's a different vibe. And the men entertain and flirt and it's not so raunchy. There are not many women only strip clubs to go and watch men all day long. There's just not a market for it because men have different, and I think learned to have different, expectations. They can be unlearned over time - and I think that would be more fair.
 
Kimmio said:
I've been to a couple of staggettes with male dancers and women are generally having fun not leering and getting all horned up in the corner. It's a different vibe. And the men entertain and flirt and it's not so raunchy. There are not many women only strip clubs to go and watch men all day long. There's just not a market for it because men have different, and I think learned to have different, expectations. They can be unlearned over time - and I think that would be more fair.
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Really? Sounds like a double standard to me. So all men who go to strip clubs are all horned up and doing god knows what in the corner. Women on the other hand who go to watch men strip are behaving like perfect ladies and are only admiring the décor.
 
Kimmio said:
.........that sets an unrealistic standard that everyday women compare themselves to - than a legitimate entertainment hobby. It creates a situation where if men grow up to expect that then women will constantly feel lesser if they can't attain it. .......
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Gotta say - I do consider myself an "everyday woman" - and I've NEVER compared my own physique to that of a stripper, nor is that something I would personally aspire to.

Re the men growing up & expecting women to look like this ... No again. This is not part of my own family experience. Kimmio - does your husband express this to you? Where are these over-generalized ideas even coming from?
 
It comes from my past experiences of what several men I knew expected of me - or how they demeaned me for not fitting a mold - I gotta say I was hangin with the wrong crowd in my early adult years - partly because a good friend of mine was a stripper (originally after not being able to convince her not to I endeavoured to be open minded and morally support her) the men who attended her parties etc. men who attended or had some connection to the clubs she worked at, and I also worked for a time at a nightclub myself as a coat check girl - not a strip club but there was cross-over in the nightlife scene. And now, looking back, it makes me sick to my stomach what women in particular put up with and what men perpetuate - and those who say it isn't so haven't lived my experience but many women, too many, have.

I remember how self analytical of our bodies me and all the girls I knew were and it was coming from the men and need for approval from them. That's what feeds that business and it does affect young women's self esteem the more commonplace strip clubs and the sex business becomes.
 
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