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The 'dirty' has nothing to do with strippers or gamblers ... it has to do with the actual bills/bank notes/cash being exchanged ... exchanging of debt notes expands consumption beyond sustainable resources (human and otherwise) ... this leads to debt collapse and social breakdown ... households collapse ... 'money' is an illusion because it is non-substance and can be created by the government to infinity... if people continue to accept numbers on green strips of paper or computer symbols for their services, they accept illusion for reality. They accept non-substance for substance. 'Money' does nothing ... people do everything ... but still people insist on doing and condoning what they probably would not otherwise do or condone ... for literally 'dirty' paper bills ... dancing or shooting dice on tables is more often done for 'cash' (preferably paid under the table) than for the 'sheer' pleasure or productivity of doing it ... and to me that is just a 'dirty' joke!
 
Poem I'z sole ... could that allow inlet of outside intelligence ... denied by stoic law? One has to bare the sole first giving new meaning to Big Foot needing to be humbled!

Church could use some open mind-heart deviants ... devils to the normally stonewalled!
 
Undefinitive. The individual that was my friend in the day, was lovely, loved to dance, and was quite happy in her own body. She had wonderful education, came from a family with access to funds, and chose to strip. It was eye opening (in more ways than one) for me. One of the people that I wish I was still in contact with from my university days. I am fairly sure she would not refer to this action as dirty money.

I can also tell you that for my relatives in Windsor, she has had a well paying job for over 15 years, raising a child, buying a house, and doing quite well for herself. I am also sure she would not define the money as dirty money. She too is quite happy in her own skin. Very healthy attitudes towards life and family.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Otherwise, you'd have to strip for the mechanic so that he'd fix your car, take it all off at the grocery in exchange for broccoli, etc.
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I'm reasonably certain that if I offered to pay for my groceries in that way there would be a lot of generous vendors at the Farmer's market who insist that I just take the food and leave my clothes on.
 
That and a simple gentlemen's agreement that if I stop attending their stalls they will deliver everything straight to my house.

Hmmmmmmm. That would save a lot of time.
 
Well, in NL there was some carry over from earlier times.

Our first thanksgiving in St. Anthony was something of a shock. By the time I had completed the two afternoon services I had 54 bags of groceries in the van. All part of the congregations saying thanks.

We weren't starving so there was no need and I made sure that many of the contents of those bags found their way into the homes of people who really had need of the contents.

It continued that way for every thanksgiving service while we were on the pastoral charge.
 
@ pinga ... Bette & Rev John have captured the essence of what I am getting at here with their last two posts ... freely given -- freely received -- freely shared ... I have no problem with your friends and relatives dancing and taking their clothes off ... but taking their clothes off in places that are restricted to 'paying' guests suggests that they are doing it for the sake of being reimbursed with 'money' (dirty word in my vocabulary) ... perhaps they could have expressed their 'happiness in their bodies' by dancing naked in their neighborhood homeless shelters or done volunteer performances in prisons or hospitals or senior's homes.
 
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Undefinitive, most of us sell our brains or bodies for money

If you are saying all work for moeny is wrong , then fine, we will agree to disagree.
If you are isolating stripping as being different than say nursing or being a lawyer, then I would like to understand why.
 
I am not isolating stripping ... I will never ever again agree that 'money' has value but unfortunately I have signed on the dotted line too many times and now I am just as stuck as the majority of the world ... if money is 'just a tool' ... it is a tool of debt enslavement ... more and more people in the world are realizing this ... more and more people are trying to find a way out ... you are obviously not one of them ... we agree to disagree ... is it not ironic tho ... that there are enough resources for everyone on earth but not enough money to pay for them?
 
@ChemGal ... most of the people that are asking on this forum about how to solve the problems of homelessness and poverty in general are not of the same mind as I am (to rid the world of money) so ... if there has to be $ numbers ...

Basic income should be sufficient to meet basic needs (i.e. food, clothing, and a warm place to live) and thus live with dignity. Some proposals suggest that in the absence of any other income, the minimum guaranteed income could be based on a low income cut-off or market basket measure (these are in the range of $20,000-$25,000 for an adult and $6,000-$7,000 for a child). Of course most people may not need or want a basic income, many may have a mix of earned and basic income, and others may need to rely upon a basic income. So, the amount to each person would vary widely.

More study has to be done on range of benefits to various groups of income earners. However, the above might act as principles for research and starting discussions on how it should be paid.
 
Oh no. Here it is again. Crazy Heart why do you want this conversation again? I'm just going to leave my response and get out of the conversation. I think stripping for money and/ or for strangers is a rife circumstance for oppression, degradation and abuse and those who don't see that and those who don't see that it leaves women in particular, vulnerable, if there are general expectations that their bodies are commodities which are up for sharing (even if they make the decision to share) with whoever wants (or pays) to see them naked or use their bodies - are the ones who need to open their hearts and minds a little - because it ain't all about gettin our freak on..
 
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Pinga said:
Undefinitive. The individual that was my friend in the day, was lovely, loved to dance, and was quite happy in her own body. She had wonderful education, came from a family with access to funds, and chose to strip. It was eye opening (in more ways than one) for me. One of the people that I wish I was still in contact with from my university days. I am fairly sure she would not refer to this action as dirty money.

I can also tell you that for my relatives in Windsor, she has had a well paying job for over 15 years, raising a child, buying a house, and doing quite well for herself. I am also sure she would not define the money as dirty money. She too is quite happy in her own skin. Very healthy attitudes towards life and family.
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It's dirty money because of who operates, funds and frequents the establishments on the whole - a lot of organized crime, a lot of drug money, a lot of misogynists, IMO (not all of them but a lot of them) - not because she needs money to pay for her daily life and education - she's not dirty for needing money to buy those things. I think it's dirty to establish that as a legitimate means of doing so because most people sell their bodies sexually when they're backed into a corner with few other options. If she has a clean happy job at a strip club and has for many years she is an anomaly or maybe she's on miring details. But you know I feel that way already. So, goodnight. I should not discuss this.
 
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BetteTheRed said:
Well, from a purely pragmatic POV, money is handy. Otherwise, you'd have to strip for the mechanic so that he'd fix your car, take it all off at the grocery in exchange for broccoli, etc.
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Why not? They're probably going to the strip club after work anyway. Or, you could not strip for money. Do something else...it's always another (better) option - unless we don't create better options.
 
Kimmio said:
It's dirty money because of who operates, funds and frequents the establishments on the whole - a lot of organized crime, a lot of drug money, a lot of misogynists, IMO (not all of them but a lot of them) - not because she needs money to pay for her daily life and education - she's not dirty for needing money to buy those things. I think it's dirty to establish that as a legitimate means of doing so because most people sell their bodies sexually when they're backed into a corner with few other options. If she has a clean happy job at a strip club and has for many years she is an anomaly or maybe she's on miring details. But you know I feel that way already. So, goodnight. I should not discuss this.
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On miring?? I meant to say ommiting details.
 
I worked with a woman in a call centre who modelled for life drawings on the side. She'd been doing it for years. She was around 50. Yes, actually, she took her clothes off for money...and I guess you could say she was "objectified"...but I thought "cool"... But it had NOTHING to do with sex. It had to do with art students learning to draw different variations of the human form. As soon as it's about sexual objectification it totally changes the my view. Because, for starters she wasn't conventionally attractive and she'd never get a job as a stripper at a club - they just would not hire her which makes strip clubs inherently inequitable.. I'm not saying that to judge her as a human or a woman...that is a negative aspect about strip clubs and the men who go there - how they judge. They like to hire hot babes. If they didn't noone would spend money there. Sorry for the colloquialism but the 50 year old art model was not a hot babe and would not be hired at a strip club. And it is men who devalue women that seem to frequent the places with the "hot babes" and judge human value of the women who are not - hence, degrading us all.
 
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