PilgrimsProgress ---Your Quote -------I have never said - and I don't believe - that "God is a Liar and His Book is a farce".
unsafe says ------PilgrimsProgress ----this is your quote-----I don't know,
but I rather think that a God of love would allow both of us to enjoy eternal life (if it proves to exist)
because a punishing God is not a loving God. (Hey, I can go along with a time out for poor behaviour, but for eternity???)
unsafe says -----your condemning yourself here with your words -----listen to yourself and what your saying ----you want God who you have said your not sure He exists and your not sure that there is eternal life and then you call God not a loving God if He punished people ------
unsafe says -----everything you say is against what the Bible says --so you in fact are calling God a LIAR and saying His words are a farce and saying I am PilgrimsProgress and I don't deserve to go to eternal punishment because I am me ----and God wouldn't send me there even though His book says He will if I don't do what it says ------
unsafe says -----Then you add insult to injury by saying your quote here ------- Hey, I can go along with a time out for poor behaviour, but for eternity???) ----
unsafe says ----------Here being arrogant in your attitude ----well I may have time out for bad behaviour --------like I am me and I don't deserve eternal punishment ever though I don't want to accept God's rules to have eternal bliss ----because I feel that is not a Loving God -----
Well you know what ---God doesn't care what we think ---we chose to do His word or we don't ----His word stands -----
PilgrimsProgress ------Your Quote ------- , in keeping with what George said about finding common ground...........
unsafe says ------ God says there is no common ground with God according to His word -----Matthew and Luke both tell you that -----both scriptures below
PilgrimsProgress -------
Your Quote here ----When it comes to reading the Bible, an observer could readily see that we both cherry pick particular verses to espouse our faith.
By doing so, we are perhaps not seeing God is as God is, but how we want to see God?
unsafe Posting the Scripture -----verses
22-36 ----Matthew ------Notice a house divided cannot stand ------your either with God or your not ---
verse 30 from scripture below ----- 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad. -----unsafe says ----no common ground here ----read it all for yourself
unsafe says ----No cherry picking here ---read all for yourself below ------
Matthew 12:22-36 New King James Version (NKJV)
A House Divided Cannot Stand
22 B)'>Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the a]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-23512a">[
a]blind and mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the C)'>Son of David?”
24 D)'>Now when the Pharisees heard
it they said, “This
fellow does not cast out demons except by b]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-23514b">[
b]Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”
25 But Jesus E)'>knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast
them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, F)'>surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 G)'>Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.
The Unpardonable SinH)'>
31 “Therefore I say to you, I)'>every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, J)'>but the blasphemy
against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.32 Anyone who K)'>speaks a word against the Son of Man, L)'>it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the
age to come.
A Tree Known by Its FruitM)'>
33 “Either make the tree good and N)'>its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by
its fruit. 34 O)'>Broodc]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-23524c">[
c] of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? P)'>For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 A good man out of the good treasure d]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-23525d">[
d]of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
unsafe posting Luke verses 14-54 ------
read all yourself ------A house divided cannot Stand -----your either with God or your not --no common ground here ------it is one way or the other ---there is no inbetween -
posting verse from below ---- 23 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
Luke 11:14-54 (NKJV)
A House Divided Cannot Stand
14 B)'>And He was casting out a demon, and it was mute. So it was, when the demon had gone out, that the mute spoke; and the multitudes marveled. 15 But some of them said, C)'>“He casts out demons by a]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-25421a">[
a]Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”
16 Others, testing
Him, D)'>sought from Him a sign from heaven. 17 E)'>But F)'>He, knowing their thoughts, said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and a house
divided against a house falls.18 If Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? Because you say I cast out demons by Beelzebub. 19 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast
them out? Therefore they will be your judges. 20 But if I cast out demons G)'>with the finger of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 21 H)'>When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are in peace. 22 ButI)'>when a stronger than he comes upon him and overcomes him, he takes from him all his armor in which he trusted, and divides his b]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-25428b">[
b]spoils.
23 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
An Unclean Spirit ReturnsK)'>
24 L)'>“When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ 25 And when he comes, he finds
it swept and put in order. 26 Then he goes and takes with
him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and M)'>the last
state of that man is worse than the first.”
Keeping the Word
2
7 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, N)'>“Blessed
is the womb that bore You, and
the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, O)'>“More than that, blessed
are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
Seeking a SignP)'>
29 Q)'>And while the crowds were thickly gathered together, He began to say, “This is an evil generation. It seeks a R)'>sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah c]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-25435c">[
c]the prophet. 30 For as S)'>Jonah became a sign to the Ninevites, so also the Son of Man will be to this generation. 31 T)'>The queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation and condemn them, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and indeed a U)'>greater than Solomon
ishere. 32 The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for V)'>they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah
is here.
The Lamp of the BodyW)'>
33 X)'>“No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts
it in a secret place or under aY)'>basket, but on a lampstand, that those who come in may see the light.34 Z)'>The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore, when your eye is d]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-25440d">[
d]good, your whole body also is full of light. But when
your eye is e]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-25440e">[
e]bad, your body also
is full of darkness. 35 Therefore take heed that the light which is in you is not darkness. 36 If then your whole body
is full of light, having no part dark,
the whole
body will be full of light, as when the bright shining of a lamp gives you light.”
Woe to the Pharisees and Lawyers
37 And as He spoke, a certain Pharisee asked Him to dine with him. So He went in and sat down to eat. 38 AA)'>When the Pharisee saw
it, he marveled that He had not first washed before dinner.
39 AB)'>Then the Lord said to him, “Now you Pharisees make the outside of the cup and dish clean, but AC)'>your inward part is full of f]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-25445f">[
f]greed and wickedness. 40 Foolish ones! Did not AD)'>He who made the outside make the inside also? 41 AE)'>But rather give alms of g]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-25447g">[
g]such things as you have; then indeed all things are clean to you.
42 AF)'>“But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and AG)'>pass by justice and the AH)'>love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. 43 AI)'>Woe to you Pharisees! For you love the h]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-25449h">[
h]best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces. 44 AJ)'>Woe to you, i]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-25450i">[
i]scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! AK)'>For you are like graves which are not seen, and the men who walk over
themare not aware
of them.”
45 Then one of the lawyers answered and said to Him, “Teacher, by saying these things You reproach us also.”
46 And He said, “Woe to you also, lawyers! AL)'>For you load men with burdens hard to bear, and you yourselves do not touch the burdens with one of your fingers. 47 AM)'>Woe to you! For you build the tombs of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. 48 In fact, you bear witness that you approve the deeds of your fathers; for they indeed killed them, and you build their tombs. 49 Therefore the wisdom of God also said, AN)'>‘I will send them prophets and apostles, and
some of them they will kill and persecute,’ 50 that the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world may be required of this generation, 51 AO)'>from the blood of Abel to AP)'>the blood of Zechariah who perished between the altar and the temple. Yes, I say to you, it shall be required of this generation.
52 AQ)'>“Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did not enter in yourselves, and those who were entering in you hindered.”
53 j]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-25459j">[
j]And as He said these things to them, the scribes and the Pharisees began to assail
Him vehemently, and to cross-examine Him about many things, 54 lying in wait for Him, k]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-25460k">[
k]and AR)'>seeking to catch Him in something He might say, l]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-25460l">[
l]that they might accuse Him.
