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GeoFee
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Here is Kimmio’s comment:
God has certainly used atheists in my process of sanctification.
Do you think we get to define who or what God may use to teach somebody something?
So if God can use a donkey, or a Zoroastrian, might God not be free to use an atheist?
God has certainly used atheists in my process of sanctification.
Do you think we get to define who or what God may use to teach somebody something?
dreamerman
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Why would he need to add an atheist to the mix? It looks like he has a plethora of jackasses already.If God can use a talking donkey to teach somebody something...I don’t see why he wouldn’t use an atheist.
PilgrimsProgress
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I'm assuming from these series of rolling clauses of vitriol that Process Theology is not to your taste.
Thank you for taking the trouble to read and publicise Process Theology.......
How do you know I was nudged by Satan? Did Satan inform you of this?
The loving God referred to in Process Theology would not inform anyone of such a damning description.
Just for the record, Process Theology is not my faith - I use it as a framework for my faith, which doesn't mean the same thing..........
unsafe
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Kimmio ---your quote -----But you are not God's eyes.
unsafe says --Show me where I said I was God's eyes -----
Kimmio ----Your Quote ------And you don't know what's in everybody's hearts,
unsafe says -----Show me where I claimed to know what is in peoples hearts ------
Kimmio ---Your Quote ----- your presentation of God's word puts people off.
unsafe says ---Too bad ---it is God's word as stated in God's word which says it is the Truth and I believe it is the Truth ------If you have a problem With God's Truth ---Talk to God not me ------I will continue to post God's words -----
Kimmio ------Your Quote -----Especially when you go out of your way to flip people off in the name of God because they don't interpret the bible the same way as you do.
unsafe says -----Have no clue how I can Flip people off in the Name of God ----But here is what I know people are slapping God in the Face and mocking Him when they say the Holy Spirit is guiding them to say things that contradict His Word -----and that I will call people out on as it is showing great disrespect toward God and His Word -----
Kimmio ---Your Quote --- because they don't interpret the bible the same way as you do.
unsafe says -----I think it is you and others who have the problem ---not me -----If anyone disagrees with the way you and others think then you take offence -----I have never said you or anyone else has to think the way I do ----
My Beef is When we think that God is all about being lovey dovey and expect Him to be there at their beck and call without them giving God the time of day and think we can have all the benefits God offers just because we want them without obeying one thing what God said to get them ----
My Beef is when we by pass the 1st Command ---Love God with all your heart --soul and mind and think that Love your neighbour is the most important command when it clearly says it is the 2nd one ----and Now here is the thing ----if you fail to do the first command then you fail at the 2nd one automatically ----
My Beef is when we use and abuse the Holy Spirit as a scapegoat for our own thinking -----there is one way only to have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and God's word tells us how but we just ignore the word and have a field day saying I was guided by the Holy Spirit to say I don't need to receive Jesus as my lord and saviour to be saved ----That is a False guided statement and it would never come from the Holy Spirit ----or The Bible is not the word of God the Holy Spirit told me so ---it is just a bunch of stories told by men of old -----etc
Anything that goes against the Word of God ---will never ever be guided by the Holy Spirit ----that is why it is so important to know the scriptures -----
unsafe says --Show me where I said I was God's eyes -----
Kimmio ----Your Quote ------And you don't know what's in everybody's hearts,
unsafe says -----Show me where I claimed to know what is in peoples hearts ------
Kimmio ---Your Quote ----- your presentation of God's word puts people off.
unsafe says ---Too bad ---it is God's word as stated in God's word which says it is the Truth and I believe it is the Truth ------If you have a problem With God's Truth ---Talk to God not me ------I will continue to post God's words -----
Kimmio ------Your Quote -----Especially when you go out of your way to flip people off in the name of God because they don't interpret the bible the same way as you do.
unsafe says -----Have no clue how I can Flip people off in the Name of God ----But here is what I know people are slapping God in the Face and mocking Him when they say the Holy Spirit is guiding them to say things that contradict His Word -----and that I will call people out on as it is showing great disrespect toward God and His Word -----
Kimmio ---Your Quote --- because they don't interpret the bible the same way as you do.
unsafe says -----I think it is you and others who have the problem ---not me -----If anyone disagrees with the way you and others think then you take offence -----I have never said you or anyone else has to think the way I do ----
My Beef is When we think that God is all about being lovey dovey and expect Him to be there at their beck and call without them giving God the time of day and think we can have all the benefits God offers just because we want them without obeying one thing what God said to get them ----
My Beef is when we by pass the 1st Command ---Love God with all your heart --soul and mind and think that Love your neighbour is the most important command when it clearly says it is the 2nd one ----and Now here is the thing ----if you fail to do the first command then you fail at the 2nd one automatically ----
My Beef is when we use and abuse the Holy Spirit as a scapegoat for our own thinking -----there is one way only to have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and God's word tells us how but we just ignore the word and have a field day saying I was guided by the Holy Spirit to say I don't need to receive Jesus as my lord and saviour to be saved ----That is a False guided statement and it would never come from the Holy Spirit ----or The Bible is not the word of God the Holy Spirit told me so ---it is just a bunch of stories told by men of old -----etc
Anything that goes against the Word of God ---will never ever be guided by the Holy Spirit ----that is why it is so important to know the scriptures -----
PilgrimsProgress
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Another God given miracle......
In replying to Unsafe, God has given me a nudge and FINALLY shown me how to do multiple quotes!!!!!
In replying to Unsafe, God has given me a nudge and FINALLY shown me how to do multiple quotes!!!!!
GeoFee
I am who I am becoming...
Hi,
For many of us it is between every line you post. We are not all kind but some of us are. Out of that kindness you have been encouraged to reconsider your manner of posting. What we would like to notice is the kind of person faith has led you to be. Jesus came to us as a person like us. Not to judge our failings. To encourage our growth in love for others. Love sometimes expressed as going the second mile, which I gladly go with you.
When asked about the realities of God’s realm Jesus replied with illustrations from nature and human society. Never did he recite reams of scripture and commentary on that scripture.
One last little bit. Scripture gives us insight concerning the life we live together in the sight of God. If we see another in an error we are to let that person know. If that person does not change, we are to go with another person to call for remedy of the noticed error. If this is not accepted the whole community is to cease engaging the person persisting in error.
May God’s living light shine on you as it shone on Saul of Taurus.
George
For many of us it is between every line you post. We are not all kind but some of us are. Out of that kindness you have been encouraged to reconsider your manner of posting. What we would like to notice is the kind of person faith has led you to be. Jesus came to us as a person like us. Not to judge our failings. To encourage our growth in love for others. Love sometimes expressed as going the second mile, which I gladly go with you.
When asked about the realities of God’s realm Jesus replied with illustrations from nature and human society. Never did he recite reams of scripture and commentary on that scripture.
One last little bit. Scripture gives us insight concerning the life we live together in the sight of God. If we see another in an error we are to let that person know. If that person does not change, we are to go with another person to call for remedy of the noticed error. If this is not accepted the whole community is to cease engaging the person persisting in error.
May God’s living light shine on you as it shone on Saul of Taurus.
George
PilgrimsProgress
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For those of us who engage in this Religion and Faith thread - a must watch - a psychologist' perspective.
(If you can't click directly on this - can some technie nerd help me out with this, please?)
Mendalla
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Seems to work fine, at least for me. I think you got it right.
Worked for me.
Noticed that there is also a subtle "conforming" message coming from the psychologist, that it is still the "other" that must change. We tend to not want to watch the the painful/joyful process of "becoming" in others, whether it's liberals acknowledging a more fundamentalist leaning in others that someone chooses or vice versa.
I think it's key to realize that who others are doesn't necessarily mean that is who we are or that it is necessary or even possible to change others.
I like the idea of sharing our thoughts with one another in respectful open discussions. I have learned much from others sharing their stories.
Noticed that there is also a subtle "conforming" message coming from the psychologist, that it is still the "other" that must change. We tend to not want to watch the the painful/joyful process of "becoming" in others, whether it's liberals acknowledging a more fundamentalist leaning in others that someone chooses or vice versa.
I think it's key to realize that who others are doesn't necessarily mean that is who we are or that it is necessary or even possible to change others.
I like the idea of sharing our thoughts with one another in respectful open discussions. I have learned much from others sharing their stories.
PilgrimsProgress
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I think the psychologist was discussing religious narcissists and what, in his opinion/ professional experience, are the qualities of a religious narcissist......
I'm sure that there are many examples, in many faiths, that exhibit these tendencies.
And, as for those Christians that are conservative, fundamentalists, progressives - or any other grouping you can name - you will come across many that are dogmatic and fixed in their views and 'know" that they are correct in how they see things.
And let's not forget the narcissistic atheists ........
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PilgrimsProgress
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I came across this in my reading today....
"To the extent that we define Christianity we betray it. The most that can be said is that Christianity is openness to God and other people, and so far as we elaborate on that we diminish this openness." - Peter Cameron
"To the extent that we define Christianity we betray it. The most that can be said is that Christianity is openness to God and other people, and so far as we elaborate on that we diminish this openness." - Peter Cameron
Openness is the ability to see self in the opposition ... considering how much we hate that other side of self that is an encompassing figure ... leaving a portion or peace of self out there struggling with truth, partisan lies and underground myth resurging .... as dark forces of reminder of how little we really know while dissociated from the whole thing!
In computational language ... unplugged? Thus navel discrepancies ... on nellie and bel leis with flowers ...
In computational language ... unplugged? Thus navel discrepancies ... on nellie and bel leis with flowers ...
unsafe
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PilgrimsProgress ------your quote -----How do you know I was nudged by Satan? Did Satan inform you of this?
unsafe says ----because the Holy Spirit is not a spirit that just flies around and helps or nudges people get into other Theologies -----The Holy Spirit comes one way According to Scripture and indwells in us --by and through our receiving Jesus as our Lord and Saviour ---and by your own admission you don't even know if God exists ------and you don't believe God wrote the Bible -----
These is your words from --the Holy Spirit Thread ---3 quotes here and 2 from this Thread
Your Quote Here ------ page 15 --post #295--- -----Let's not forget that God didn't actually write the Bible.
Your Quote here ----- page 5 post 94-------I don't know for sure if there is a God, but I have faith that there is a God. A God that doesn't have power in the sense of being in control (a human concept of power) but God's power resides in unconditional love. Thus, I don't believe God can change a terminal illness into a benign one - but, through the Spirit, God can support us through God's love for us.
Your Quote here ---page 5 post 94 -----I have a faith that there is a Holy Spirit acting for God to work through us as individuals to bring about the common good and act in individuals as the comforter.
Your Quote Here from This Thread -----Page 4 Post 63 of this thread ------- Perhaps Jesus was not only a spiritual leader, but a psychologist as well?
Your Quote Here this Thread ------Page 3 post 50 ----- I appreciate you using your own voice in your post -instead of posting Biblical quotes.
unsafe says ----
So we see here you think ---God didn't write the Bible ----
unsafe says ------Bible says He did give the words to the people who wrote His words down ---so your contradicting what the word says here ---false claim to what the Scripture says ----
You don't know if there is a God -----
unsafe says -----This goes against what the Bible says -----Scripture says there is no excuse for anyone not know He doesn't exist ------so your contradicting what the truth says here -----false claim to what the scripture says
You don't believe God has any power of being in control ------
unsafe says -----Bible says God is Sovereign and is in control ---the only part that God gave to humans to be in control of id this earth ----everything else He is in control of ----he gave us choice to decide what decisions we make but we pay the price if we choose the wrong road ---so you contradict scripture here and make a false claim to what the scripture says ----
You don't believe God can heal people -----
unsafe says ----the Bible is full of healings and the scripture clearly states that the stripes on Jesus back perched our Healing ------so you are making a false claim to what the scripture says ------
You don't acknowledge the Holy Spirit is God ---
unsafe says ----The Bible says that the Holy Spirit is Christ -----so you contradict scripture here and are making a false claim to what the scripture says
You believe all God is good for is His unconditional love -----
unsafe says -----The Bible is clear that God loves His Creation unconditionally but that is it -----All Covenants that God made with His People are not unconditional ----there are stipulations that must be followed to get the results ------so your claim is only good in one areas ----the 1 Command has never changed ---Love God first -----then the Second one follows -----Fail to love God first --the love your neighbour is automatically failed ---fail in the one law you fail them all -------and that is scriptural ------God's words not Mine -----
You see Jesus as a spiritual leader and perhaps a psychologist
unsafe says ------The Bible makes it very Clear that Jesus is the Son of God and the Father and the Son are one ----so you again contradict what the Scripture says and make a False claim against what the scripture actually says -------
You don't like seeing Scripture being posted
unsafe says ------This is a statement you made -----you have a beef against posting scripture cause the scripture says it is the Truth and goes against what you want to believe -----
unsafe says -----
So Your saying that PilgrimsProgress knows all things better than God ----Well there can be only one truth -----
unsafe says
Why do I believe Satan nudged you and Not the Holy Spirit ---because you have hardened your heart against God and His truth and have decided to make up your own theology and God's unconditional Love for you Is allowing you to do just that ---and God's will Love you even in your Choice to push Him Away and follow a Hollow theology that you have made up yourself ------The Holy Spirit is God and does and directs us in God's will and God's Doctrine only -----The Holy Spirit speaks what He is told to speak not what we want him to speak -----So the Holy Spirit would never direct a person to build their framework of Faith in another theology --------Jesus spoke what His Father told Him To Speak not what He want to Speak ------The Holy Spirit is Christ in us ------not some spirit flying around picking people at Random to light on -----
Romans 2:11-16(GW)
11 God does not play favorites.
Acts 10:34(GW)
34 Then Peter said, “Now I understand that God doesn’t play favorites.
unsafe says and Posted ------Your Word framework ---here is the meaning ------
framework Meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
framework noun
UK /ˈfreɪm.wɜːk/ US /ˈfreɪm.wɝːk/
[ C ] a supporting structure around which something can be built
system of rules, ideas, or beliefs that is used to plan or decidesomething:
unsafe says -----
So your Process Theology is the supporting Structure for your Faith -----that is what you are using to build the foundation of your Faith
unsafe says -----Bible Faith comes from Hearing the Word of God ---so the framework for Bible Faith is the Bible and seeing Christ in the word --------
unsafe posted ----
Here is an article -----I am sure you wound read it but I am posting it anyway -------
Satan or God - One of Them Is Your Father
Satan or God: Who’s Your Father?
Summary: Why do some people live like the devil? The natural answer is simple, and it quotes a well-known phrase: “Like father, like son.” The spiritual answer is even more illuminating. The devil himself is the unbeliever’s “father,” said Jesus, and the unbeliever simply lives and acts in accordance with the desires of his spiritual father, Satan.
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John 8:41-44 …“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.” Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God”… [44] “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires…”
The Jews who were rejecting Jesus arrogantly said to Him, “The only Father we have is God himself.” Wrong! The Lord quickly corrected their error, declaring to them, “You belong to your father, the devil.” They refused to believe in Jesus, yet claimed God as their spiritual Father. Many today do the same. I personally prayed the Lord’s prayer, the “Our Father,” hundreds of times in my young life, yet I did not yet know Jesus Christ personally as my Savior and Lord. Because of the absence of Christ in my early years, my spiritual Father was not God, but the devil.
Every living person has a spiritual father, either God or the devil, and that fatherhood goes a long way towards explaining people’s conduct. Jesus clearly told His opponents that they would “carry out the desires” of their “father the devil.” People live like the devil because they are part of his family and tend to manifest his family traits.
Matthew 13:38, KJV The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one.
In His parable of the good seed and the “tares” (weeds), Jesus again defined spiritual fatherhood. And once again we see Him stating that everyone in the world-field is in one spiritual family or the other. They are either the “children of the kingdom [of God],” or they are the “children of the wicked one.” Either God is your Father or Satan is. There is no middle ground. You are either “good seed” or you are “tares,” weeds.
The apostle Paul understood this clear-cut distinction in everyone’s spiritual fatherhood. In Acts 13 Paul was on the island of Cyprus and was sharing the Gospel with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus. The proconsul became a believer, but not before a sorcerer named Elymas tried to turn him from the faith. The apostle Paul turned to the sorcerer and said, “You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery” (vs. 10). And God instantly smote the sorcerer with temporary blindness.
This greatly impressed the proconsul, and he turned in faith to the Lord. My point is this: Paul’s words showed a clear understanding of Jesus’ statement in John 8:44 — that is, those disbelievingin Christ are the devil’s children, and their conduct will reflect the nature of their father the devil. This was clearly true of the sorcerer, who was “full of all kinds of deceit and trickery … [and was] perverting the right ways of the Lord.” (vs. 10). To what did Paul attribute that conduct? — “You are a child of the devil.”
I was spiritually a child of the devil into my early adult years. Then at age 25, I had a powerful personal experience of salvation in Jesus Christ, and everything changed. I had my spiritual fatherhood changed in a moment of time, experiencing the blessedness of Colossians 1:13 — “[God] has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves.”
Finally I could truly and conscientiously pray, “Our Father in heaven…” By faith in Jesus Christ, and in sincere repentance for my sins, I was saved, I was born again, and left the family of Satan and became a child of God: “I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty” (2 Corinthians 6:18).
Perhaps you haven’t yet experienced the blessedness of having God Almighty as your Father. The Good News is that Jesus has provided for you the way into the family of God. First, you need to have a right worldview, a right perspective. Jesus said, “My Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son [Jesus] and believes in him shall have eternal life” (John 6:40). God wants to become the Father of each of us, and in order for us to come into His family, His will is that we “look to” Jesus His Son.
Jesus exposed the error of the “all roads lead to God” slogan. They do not! To the contrary, Christ said of Himself, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). There is only one road into the family of God the Father — Jesus Christ.
The “how to” is simple—repentance and faith. That was the apostle Paul’s salvation message: “I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus” (Acts 20:21). With genuine sorrow for our sins, in faith we accept the “Gospel” truth that Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection have redeemed us from the damnation due to our sins (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). We receive Jesus in faith as our Savior and Lord and become born-again children of God (John 1:12-13; 3:3-8).
Life under the devil’s fatherhood is dark, oppressive, hopeless, and inevitably sinful—“the lusts of your father you will do” (John 8:44, KJV). Then you hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ, perhaps at a church, or in a tract, or maybe by the personal testimony of a friend. A godly sorrow for your sins comes upon you and leads you to repentance (2 Corinthians 7:10). Faith arises in your soul, and you “look to” Jesus and believe in Him (John 6:40). You are born again into the family of God! Now delivered from the devil’s dark kingdom, you are brought into the kingdom of Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:13). You have a new Father, God! And He loves you deeply, now and forever. As the Lord Jesus said of those who believe and receive Him, “The Father himself loves you because you have loved me [Jesus] and have believed that I came from God” (John 16:27).
There it is! God the Father loves you. He makes you His son or daughter and gives you eternal life because you have come to Him in repentance and faith in His Son, Jesus Christ. If you haven’t yet done that, I encourage you to drop everything else and do that right now. Come to Jesus and become a child of God Almighty. If you would like some help in making that life-changing decision for Jesus Christ, I refer you to evangelist Billy Graham’s brief and very helpful online prayer at Peace with God. You will be eternally grateful to the Lord!
unsafe says -----this part of the article is worth repeating ----------
The Jews who were rejecting Jesus arrogantly said to Him, “The only Father we have is God himself.” Wrong! The Lord quickly corrected their error, declaring to them, “You belong to your father, the devil.” They refused to believe in Jesus, yet claimed God as their spiritual Father. Many today do the same.
So I say to you keep up your beliefs all you want to and this is one thing for Sure ----You Will Know the Real Truth When You Pass from This World to the Next and Bow Before The One True God -------
unsafe says ----because the Holy Spirit is not a spirit that just flies around and helps or nudges people get into other Theologies -----The Holy Spirit comes one way According to Scripture and indwells in us --by and through our receiving Jesus as our Lord and Saviour ---and by your own admission you don't even know if God exists ------and you don't believe God wrote the Bible -----
These is your words from --the Holy Spirit Thread ---3 quotes here and 2 from this Thread
Your Quote Here ------ page 15 --post #295--- -----Let's not forget that God didn't actually write the Bible.
Your Quote here ----- page 5 post 94-------I don't know for sure if there is a God, but I have faith that there is a God. A God that doesn't have power in the sense of being in control (a human concept of power) but God's power resides in unconditional love. Thus, I don't believe God can change a terminal illness into a benign one - but, through the Spirit, God can support us through God's love for us.
Your Quote here ---page 5 post 94 -----I have a faith that there is a Holy Spirit acting for God to work through us as individuals to bring about the common good and act in individuals as the comforter.
Your Quote Here from This Thread -----Page 4 Post 63 of this thread ------- Perhaps Jesus was not only a spiritual leader, but a psychologist as well?
Your Quote Here this Thread ------Page 3 post 50 ----- I appreciate you using your own voice in your post -instead of posting Biblical quotes.
unsafe says ----
So we see here you think ---God didn't write the Bible ----
unsafe says ------Bible says He did give the words to the people who wrote His words down ---so your contradicting what the word says here ---false claim to what the Scripture says ----
You don't know if there is a God -----
unsafe says -----This goes against what the Bible says -----Scripture says there is no excuse for anyone not know He doesn't exist ------so your contradicting what the truth says here -----false claim to what the scripture says
You don't believe God has any power of being in control ------
unsafe says -----Bible says God is Sovereign and is in control ---the only part that God gave to humans to be in control of id this earth ----everything else He is in control of ----he gave us choice to decide what decisions we make but we pay the price if we choose the wrong road ---so you contradict scripture here and make a false claim to what the scripture says ----
You don't believe God can heal people -----
unsafe says ----the Bible is full of healings and the scripture clearly states that the stripes on Jesus back perched our Healing ------so you are making a false claim to what the scripture says ------
You don't acknowledge the Holy Spirit is God ---
unsafe says ----The Bible says that the Holy Spirit is Christ -----so you contradict scripture here and are making a false claim to what the scripture says
You believe all God is good for is His unconditional love -----
unsafe says -----The Bible is clear that God loves His Creation unconditionally but that is it -----All Covenants that God made with His People are not unconditional ----there are stipulations that must be followed to get the results ------so your claim is only good in one areas ----the 1 Command has never changed ---Love God first -----then the Second one follows -----Fail to love God first --the love your neighbour is automatically failed ---fail in the one law you fail them all -------and that is scriptural ------God's words not Mine -----
You see Jesus as a spiritual leader and perhaps a psychologist
unsafe says ------The Bible makes it very Clear that Jesus is the Son of God and the Father and the Son are one ----so you again contradict what the Scripture says and make a False claim against what the scripture actually says -------
You don't like seeing Scripture being posted
unsafe says ------This is a statement you made -----you have a beef against posting scripture cause the scripture says it is the Truth and goes against what you want to believe -----
unsafe says -----
So Your saying that PilgrimsProgress knows all things better than God ----Well there can be only one truth -----
unsafe says
Why do I believe Satan nudged you and Not the Holy Spirit ---because you have hardened your heart against God and His truth and have decided to make up your own theology and God's unconditional Love for you Is allowing you to do just that ---and God's will Love you even in your Choice to push Him Away and follow a Hollow theology that you have made up yourself ------The Holy Spirit is God and does and directs us in God's will and God's Doctrine only -----The Holy Spirit speaks what He is told to speak not what we want him to speak -----So the Holy Spirit would never direct a person to build their framework of Faith in another theology --------Jesus spoke what His Father told Him To Speak not what He want to Speak ------The Holy Spirit is Christ in us ------not some spirit flying around picking people at Random to light on -----
Romans 2:11-16(GW)
11 God does not play favorites.
Acts 10:34(GW)
34 Then Peter said, “Now I understand that God doesn’t play favorites.
unsafe says and Posted ------Your Word framework ---here is the meaning ------
framework Meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
framework noun
UK /ˈfreɪm.wɜːk/ US /ˈfreɪm.wɝːk/
[ C ] a supporting structure around which something can be built
system of rules, ideas, or beliefs that is used to plan or decidesomething:
unsafe says -----
So your Process Theology is the supporting Structure for your Faith -----that is what you are using to build the foundation of your Faith
unsafe says -----Bible Faith comes from Hearing the Word of God ---so the framework for Bible Faith is the Bible and seeing Christ in the word --------
unsafe posted ----
Here is an article -----I am sure you wound read it but I am posting it anyway -------
Satan or God - One of Them Is Your Father
Satan or God: Who’s Your Father?
Summary: Why do some people live like the devil? The natural answer is simple, and it quotes a well-known phrase: “Like father, like son.” The spiritual answer is even more illuminating. The devil himself is the unbeliever’s “father,” said Jesus, and the unbeliever simply lives and acts in accordance with the desires of his spiritual father, Satan.
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John 8:41-44 …“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.” Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God”… [44] “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires…”
The Jews who were rejecting Jesus arrogantly said to Him, “The only Father we have is God himself.” Wrong! The Lord quickly corrected their error, declaring to them, “You belong to your father, the devil.” They refused to believe in Jesus, yet claimed God as their spiritual Father. Many today do the same. I personally prayed the Lord’s prayer, the “Our Father,” hundreds of times in my young life, yet I did not yet know Jesus Christ personally as my Savior and Lord. Because of the absence of Christ in my early years, my spiritual Father was not God, but the devil.
Every living person has a spiritual father, either God or the devil, and that fatherhood goes a long way towards explaining people’s conduct. Jesus clearly told His opponents that they would “carry out the desires” of their “father the devil.” People live like the devil because they are part of his family and tend to manifest his family traits.
Matthew 13:38, KJV The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one.
In His parable of the good seed and the “tares” (weeds), Jesus again defined spiritual fatherhood. And once again we see Him stating that everyone in the world-field is in one spiritual family or the other. They are either the “children of the kingdom [of God],” or they are the “children of the wicked one.” Either God is your Father or Satan is. There is no middle ground. You are either “good seed” or you are “tares,” weeds.
The apostle Paul understood this clear-cut distinction in everyone’s spiritual fatherhood. In Acts 13 Paul was on the island of Cyprus and was sharing the Gospel with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus. The proconsul became a believer, but not before a sorcerer named Elymas tried to turn him from the faith. The apostle Paul turned to the sorcerer and said, “You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery” (vs. 10). And God instantly smote the sorcerer with temporary blindness.
This greatly impressed the proconsul, and he turned in faith to the Lord. My point is this: Paul’s words showed a clear understanding of Jesus’ statement in John 8:44 — that is, those disbelievingin Christ are the devil’s children, and their conduct will reflect the nature of their father the devil. This was clearly true of the sorcerer, who was “full of all kinds of deceit and trickery … [and was] perverting the right ways of the Lord.” (vs. 10). To what did Paul attribute that conduct? — “You are a child of the devil.”
I was spiritually a child of the devil into my early adult years. Then at age 25, I had a powerful personal experience of salvation in Jesus Christ, and everything changed. I had my spiritual fatherhood changed in a moment of time, experiencing the blessedness of Colossians 1:13 — “[God] has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves.”
Finally I could truly and conscientiously pray, “Our Father in heaven…” By faith in Jesus Christ, and in sincere repentance for my sins, I was saved, I was born again, and left the family of Satan and became a child of God: “I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty” (2 Corinthians 6:18).
Perhaps you haven’t yet experienced the blessedness of having God Almighty as your Father. The Good News is that Jesus has provided for you the way into the family of God. First, you need to have a right worldview, a right perspective. Jesus said, “My Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son [Jesus] and believes in him shall have eternal life” (John 6:40). God wants to become the Father of each of us, and in order for us to come into His family, His will is that we “look to” Jesus His Son.
Jesus exposed the error of the “all roads lead to God” slogan. They do not! To the contrary, Christ said of Himself, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). There is only one road into the family of God the Father — Jesus Christ.
The “how to” is simple—repentance and faith. That was the apostle Paul’s salvation message: “I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus” (Acts 20:21). With genuine sorrow for our sins, in faith we accept the “Gospel” truth that Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection have redeemed us from the damnation due to our sins (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). We receive Jesus in faith as our Savior and Lord and become born-again children of God (John 1:12-13; 3:3-8).
Life under the devil’s fatherhood is dark, oppressive, hopeless, and inevitably sinful—“the lusts of your father you will do” (John 8:44, KJV). Then you hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ, perhaps at a church, or in a tract, or maybe by the personal testimony of a friend. A godly sorrow for your sins comes upon you and leads you to repentance (2 Corinthians 7:10). Faith arises in your soul, and you “look to” Jesus and believe in Him (John 6:40). You are born again into the family of God! Now delivered from the devil’s dark kingdom, you are brought into the kingdom of Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:13). You have a new Father, God! And He loves you deeply, now and forever. As the Lord Jesus said of those who believe and receive Him, “The Father himself loves you because you have loved me [Jesus] and have believed that I came from God” (John 16:27).
There it is! God the Father loves you. He makes you His son or daughter and gives you eternal life because you have come to Him in repentance and faith in His Son, Jesus Christ. If you haven’t yet done that, I encourage you to drop everything else and do that right now. Come to Jesus and become a child of God Almighty. If you would like some help in making that life-changing decision for Jesus Christ, I refer you to evangelist Billy Graham’s brief and very helpful online prayer at Peace with God. You will be eternally grateful to the Lord!
unsafe says -----this part of the article is worth repeating ----------
The Jews who were rejecting Jesus arrogantly said to Him, “The only Father we have is God himself.” Wrong! The Lord quickly corrected their error, declaring to them, “You belong to your father, the devil.” They refused to believe in Jesus, yet claimed God as their spiritual Father. Many today do the same.
So I say to you keep up your beliefs all you want to and this is one thing for Sure ----You Will Know the Real Truth When You Pass from This World to the Next and Bow Before The One True God -------
blackbelt1961
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im pretty sure Peter Cameron has it backwards, Christianity is God opening the way for man,,,, not the other way around
paradox3
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Begs the question: If it does not involve God, is it still Christianity? For example, there are some Christians who say they follow Jesus as a moral leader but do not necessarily believe in God. It is always hard for me to think of someone "following Jesus" while ignoring his clear belief in God.
Just the way I see it.
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Now as the Uber progressives see it, one can both disbelieve in God and toss Jesus out of one's spiritual life. Albeit they may assert that their values have arisen from their Christian heritage. In this case, I think they have moved into a post Christian stance.
Again, just the way I think about this.
Again, just the way I think about this.
PilgrimsProgress
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Your Freudian slip is appropriate - the article did wound me......
PilgrimsProgress
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I suppose it depends on the progressives. Many progressives think deeply about faith and their faith is open to analysis and thus doubt is part of the mix. Due to this individual examination, many progressives differ in their interpretations of both scripture and faith.
Personally, I struggle with the divinity of Jesus. I don't literally see him as God's literal son -and I'm still working through whether he was fully human or, in some mysterious way, divine.
But I call myself a Christian in that I'm a follower of Jesus's message and way to live out my life.
And, like Jesus, I believe in the divinity of God.