dreamerman
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I think Jae has been listening to Archie again.
The women divide the plunder ?
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Kind 've an arch type and who knows a pseudonym is metaphorically a roue of false nature as all is yet afloat in god's mind ... as a dream going down that mythical river ... attractive aspirations or beautiful dreams while psychosomatically resting the inactive part of the greater mind ... similar to Sam Clements Jr.
Meathead may not even be as he appears ...
GeoFee
I am who I am becoming...
Hi,
Noticing that Jae has found the centre of our attention by his interesting interjections. Thought maybe I would review the opening post and do some wondering about it. These two bits are near the centre of my reflections:
Over the years I have learned it is wise to keep my freedom undercover. In no way compromising it by submission and conformity to the expectations of diverse social structures. My seminary experience illustrates this, at least to some degree. I played by the rules as far as my ethical bias would permit. All the while exercising my freedom by diverse symbolic actions. I occupied a student lounge and set up a coffee shop. The administration and staff did all they could to prevent me. I prevailed. In two semesters I earned just over one thousand dollars, which I used as student aid for fellow students. The whole project was out of bounds according to the seminary's norms and standards. It was an act of freedom in the context of dense bureaucratic structure.
I am presently engaged in another such symbolic action. For just over a year I have been an active part of a congregational team in Winnipeg. I simply offered to serve them as their minister without requiring pay. This began on the first Sunday of lent. My metaphoric mind clearly conscious that my action was an expression of freedom. This just as Jesus journey to Jerusalem was an act of freedom. I knew by his example that such an expression of freedom entails retributive consequences. For the whole of this year, where I am clearly out of bounds specific to institutional norms and standards, I have not been approached by one voice representing the pastoral oversight of the larger church. For some reason, there is a reluctance to make the matter public. As it was in seminary.
When Jesus speaks of counting the cost and taking up the cross, he is talking about the choice of freedom in a context of authoritarian control. His freedom inspired persons to step out of bondage and into freedom. This incited the hostility of those vested in structures of control. We know well how the story goes. Jesus is killed but he is not silenced. He is speaking quiet and clear in our day. Sheep hear his voice and sing: "Freely, freely, you have received; freely, freely give. Go in my name and because you believe, others will know that I live." Goats are not so inclined.
What, then, are we to recover for our Children? I will say our children's imaginations are in deep bondage to the exploitive seekers of power. Let us give our best to recover their freedom. The first step being counting the cost and taking up the responsibility of our personal and collective freedom.
This song inspired me many years past:
George
Noticing that Jae has found the centre of our attention by his interesting interjections. Thought maybe I would review the opening post and do some wondering about it. These two bits are near the centre of my reflections:
That Christ set us free for freedom rests near the heart of my thinking. This sounds so splendid as words to share with others. It has been a little less than splendid to take up the freedom Christ makes available. I recall speaking my mind freely in late elementary and early junior high. As a result I suffered the rejection and discipline of my teachers. This for my refusal to conform to the coercive structures of the curriculum. Being born a Frisian I persisted in freedom and suffered the consequence. I was expelled before completing the ninth grade.
Over the years I have learned it is wise to keep my freedom undercover. In no way compromising it by submission and conformity to the expectations of diverse social structures. My seminary experience illustrates this, at least to some degree. I played by the rules as far as my ethical bias would permit. All the while exercising my freedom by diverse symbolic actions. I occupied a student lounge and set up a coffee shop. The administration and staff did all they could to prevent me. I prevailed. In two semesters I earned just over one thousand dollars, which I used as student aid for fellow students. The whole project was out of bounds according to the seminary's norms and standards. It was an act of freedom in the context of dense bureaucratic structure.
I am presently engaged in another such symbolic action. For just over a year I have been an active part of a congregational team in Winnipeg. I simply offered to serve them as their minister without requiring pay. This began on the first Sunday of lent. My metaphoric mind clearly conscious that my action was an expression of freedom. This just as Jesus journey to Jerusalem was an act of freedom. I knew by his example that such an expression of freedom entails retributive consequences. For the whole of this year, where I am clearly out of bounds specific to institutional norms and standards, I have not been approached by one voice representing the pastoral oversight of the larger church. For some reason, there is a reluctance to make the matter public. As it was in seminary.
When Jesus speaks of counting the cost and taking up the cross, he is talking about the choice of freedom in a context of authoritarian control. His freedom inspired persons to step out of bondage and into freedom. This incited the hostility of those vested in structures of control. We know well how the story goes. Jesus is killed but he is not silenced. He is speaking quiet and clear in our day. Sheep hear his voice and sing: "Freely, freely, you have received; freely, freely give. Go in my name and because you believe, others will know that I live." Goats are not so inclined.
What, then, are we to recover for our Children? I will say our children's imaginations are in deep bondage to the exploitive seekers of power. Let us give our best to recover their freedom. The first step being counting the cost and taking up the responsibility of our personal and collective freedom.
This song inspired me many years past:
George
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RitaTG
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And back here once again.
Once again a primitive twisting of scripture. I would suggest you consult some of the Jewish rabbis of old that actually understood the language and it's nuances. Back then it was understood that sex and gender we're complex. Of course I am sure you will require someone to do the digging for you. And then as always you will deflect, change the subject, or ignore as usual.
Could it be that you are unaware of, "And God made of nought a man to his image and likeness; God made of nought a man, to the image of God; God made of nought them, male and female." - Genesis 1:27 (WYC).
Male and female RitaTG, not some kind of complex sliding scale.
However some take the hard line ... what was known as the God NUT in Egypt (land of dreams and imagination)! Some appreciation and respect should be supported for the abstract ...
Alas some will not change or learn beyond the previous construct laid upon them ... invulnerable to wisdom ... resembling the trumped up ...
Ritafee
Is Being Human
What about those men and women who deviate from gender roles in the Bible? The patriarch Jacob, for example, is clearly gendered female in comparison with his twin brother Esau. Esau is hairy, Jacob is smooth; Esau is a hunter, Jacob “stays in the tent” (which is where women stay) and cooks; Esau is favored by his father, Jacob by his mom. And yet Jacob is the chosen one who becomes Israel, who fathers a nation.
Of course, Jacob didn’t go on hormone therapy, but the way the Bible constructs his gender identity makes it very clear that, at least until his transformative nighttime wrestling match, he is gender non-conforming.
Likewise, Deborah the Judge, who performed a male societal role. Likewise, the beautiful young David in his “armor-carrier” relationships with Saul and Jonathan. (1 Sam. 16;12, 1 Sam. 18:1-3) Likewise the Apostle Paul, who rebelled against the most fundamental gender role of his time, fathering children, by becoming celibate. Likewise the pairs of female emissaries in the New Testament, Tryphaina and Tryphosa (Romans 16:12) and Euhodia and Syntyche (Phil. 4:1), who preached the gospel in ways usually reserved for men. On and on and on, the Bible presents heroic characters who vary from normative gender roles.
If the Bible is our guide, then God’s design for gender is a gigantic rainbow of variation, not a black-and-white conformity with sex.
Neither the pain of gender dysphoria nor the joy of living authentically as one’s true self are trivial matters. They are profoundly moral, religious ones.
On the one hand, if God loves human beings, then God cannot abide the pain of gender dysphoria. It is not real love to allow such harm to take place, because “love does no harm to its neighbor.” (Romans 13:10)
What Does the Bible Teach About Transgender People?
RitaTG
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Unfortunately with Jae this will fall upon ears and eyes willfully blocked shut.
I no longer am going to play the educate game with him.
His posts are his typical Gaslighting and trolling. I would suggest it is best to ignore
blackbelt1961
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Mark 3:28-30: "Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never beforgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin
except for the one sin against the Spirit, all is forgivable
Ritafee, to address the Scriptures you've goven here...
1 Samuel 16:12...
David had red hair, bright eyes and a clear look. He was handsome, and stalwart of body. And God chose him in spite of his youth.
1 Samuel 18:1-3...
It happened when David had given Saul information which he desired concerning his family that Jonathan's soul, Saul's son's soul, was chained to David's soul in a band of devoted, ideal friendship with an absence of selfishness. And Saul put David permanently in the king's service. David could no more return home periodically to assist in the work and to do his shepherd's duties. Then Jonathan and David made a sealing of their friendship, promising each other perpetual friendship.
Romans 16:12...
Tryphena & Tryphosa worked for God, sharing the Gospel.
Philippians 4:1 doesn't mention Euhodia and Syntyche. Philippians 4:2 does...
Paul exhorts Euodia and Syntyche. He wants these two women to drop their differences. Both of them were Philippian church members. But there was a rift due to envy; there were disagreements. So Paul tells them to work together well, to settle their hostility.
Romans 13:10...
Let's be filled with the love that agrees with God's will. Then we'll engage in nothing which may cause ill to befall our neighbor. We'll avoid all the sins that are mentioned in the commandments. Our neighbor's the one who's near us. Any person in our vicinity with whom we've had dealings is our neighbor, and towards such a one, especially if they be of faith's household, we should show kindness, according to God's will. The Law's fulfilling is love. Let's work to measure up to this standard, and by God's grace we'll make some headway toward our goal.
RitaTG, I reject these claims you make here against me and will be reporting this post of yours.
I'm sure your are genuinely offended by the remarks of great naivete ... a sense of essence with a hole in it ... that cus't red Eire lass in the long black robe ... one bandet of thoughts ... I think Jae swallowed one ... I tell yah chez trouble!
Damn reportable base third all spread about ...
blackbelt1961
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You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
GeoFee
I am who I am becoming...
Hi,
Folk here and there notice the possibility that David and Jonathan were in an intimate homosexual relationship. On the occasion of Jonathan's death, David makes clear that he loved Jonathan in a way that he had loved no woman. From their first meeting Jonathan was smitten. This angered his father Saul who insisted that Jonathan cut off his relationship with David. It was an embarrassment to both Saul and his wife. Saul got so angry that David went into hiding. Not before spending some quality time alone with Jonathan. Their attendants having been told to leave them alone. Many more clues surface once we scratch the surface of the text and look into its depths. The difference of what is written in the lines and what is written between the lines.
It is not about who is right and who is wrong; the knowledge of good and evil which leads to division and death. It is about sparring cooperatively to strengthen our personal and collective capacity for reason and persuasion. As Robin Hood and Little John, with their company of merry folk, sparred in the Sherwood forest under the threat of the exploitive and oppressive king John. Also as David and Jonathan in their resistance of the Philistines.
George
Folk here and there notice the possibility that David and Jonathan were in an intimate homosexual relationship. On the occasion of Jonathan's death, David makes clear that he loved Jonathan in a way that he had loved no woman. From their first meeting Jonathan was smitten. This angered his father Saul who insisted that Jonathan cut off his relationship with David. It was an embarrassment to both Saul and his wife. Saul got so angry that David went into hiding. Not before spending some quality time alone with Jonathan. Their attendants having been told to leave them alone. Many more clues surface once we scratch the surface of the text and look into its depths. The difference of what is written in the lines and what is written between the lines.
It is not about who is right and who is wrong; the knowledge of good and evil which leads to division and death. It is about sparring cooperatively to strengthen our personal and collective capacity for reason and persuasion. As Robin Hood and Little John, with their company of merry folk, sparred in the Sherwood forest under the threat of the exploitive and oppressive king John. Also as David and Jonathan in their resistance of the Philistines.
George
And who was knocked off the log (record) as a myth and dunked into the brook ... catharsis? Will that wash ?
Schism is a vast divided area ... a domain of medium ... where one can look at both extremes from outside the chaos of Dia blows ... oppressive winds?
If you get into that asa hole ... the extremists will see that you're eliminated and denied ...
Diablos can't get it together ... but as a red-headed source of chaos ... you may displace your worries ... a red rivaled item!
Real folk are like that ... prone to vast dissociation from the ultimate field of infinite information .. far out intelligence? Just because they were conditioned not to know ... observe what it does to folks ... and then they don't know when they're dead tuit ... unliving circles? Possibly insensitive to pathos? Isn't that pain ... explaining some comfort in shooting down portions of the network (Plexus) ... and as seen from way out man must die because he shoots himself in the R's ... including all the metaphors said to be absolute according to the overly determinate! There we fade into a feint ...
What's a psyche? No one can explain they live in that schism ... as if like love it is nothing or Nu's ends too! Thus the trap pist ... it still goes round causing vert Egos ... emerald Jinnies ... thus Eris is ...
a split or division between strongly opposed sections or parties, caused by differences in opinion or belief.
"the widening schism between Church leaders and politicians"
synonyms: division, split, rift, breach, rupture, break, separation, severance, estrangement, alienation, detachment;
"the widening schism between Church leaders and politicians"
synonyms: division, split, rift, breach, rupture, break, separation, severance, estrangement, alienation, detachment;
If you get into that asa hole ... the extremists will see that you're eliminated and denied ...
Diablos can't get it together ... but as a red-headed source of chaos ... you may displace your worries ... a red rivaled item!
Real folk are like that ... prone to vast dissociation from the ultimate field of infinite information .. far out intelligence? Just because they were conditioned not to know ... observe what it does to folks ... and then they don't know when they're dead tuit ... unliving circles? Possibly insensitive to pathos? Isn't that pain ... explaining some comfort in shooting down portions of the network (Plexus) ... and as seen from way out man must die because he shoots himself in the R's ... including all the metaphors said to be absolute according to the overly determinate! There we fade into a feint ...
What's a psyche? No one can explain they live in that schism ... as if like love it is nothing or Nu's ends too! Thus the trap pist ... it still goes round causing vert Egos ... emerald Jinnies ... thus Eris is ...
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RitaTG
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George ...let me make this point....
This is not about friendly sparring in Sherwood Forest nor is it merely an academic difference of opinion on some topic or issue.
This is about the core personhood of my kids and how others will callously make light of their identity and in doing so demean them so badly. This sort of thing drives them toward suicide. I know, I live it. This sparring match is life or death for just one of the contestants. An unwilling contestant forced to fight for their life never knowing when the next battle will be or with what monster.
The suicide rates. 43% overall. Approaching 60% for kids in religious families.
Look up Leelah Alcorn.
I will give no quarter in this fight.