The women divide the plunder ?

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Jae said:
Oh, and I have studied, and continue to study, God's Word, including in its socio/historical/political context. That includes studying the New Testament in Koine.
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If that be the case, if you are seriously studying the gospels, especially in the original Greek, then you should certainly well know the dangers of conflating the different accounts.
 
Redbaron said:
If that be the case, if you are seriously studying the gospels, especially in the original Greek, then you should certainly well know the dangers of conflating the different accounts.
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Could be something is a miss down the dark well? There it was gone as effectively as abstraction!
 
Jae said:
"According to most?" Easily said. Do you have any actual, solid stats on that. Course, even if most people feel one way or another about something it doesn't necessarily make their opinion the correct one.
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Right you are .... opinions are opinions.

It has been beneficial for me to search the 'scriptures' around this opinion of yours. I have found your opinion in this matter does not resonate with my intuition to surrender that which was holding me back from moving forward in freedom from fears and false security as offered through 'legalism'.

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery."
 
Ritafee said:
Right you are .... opinions are opinions.

It has been beneficial for me to search the 'scriptures' around this opinion of yours. I have found your opinion in this matter does not resonate with my intuition to surrender that which was holding me back from moving forward in freedom from fears and false security as offered through 'legalism'.

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery."
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Philippians 4:13
 
God doesn’t limit the revealing of Godself, to people who have PhD’s. Jesus wasn’t so interested in those who were the most accomplished scholars, was he? - wisdom is not limited to the institutionally educated. It’s not to say it’s not helpful in gathering information to process then to glean wisdom. I’m not saying I agree with Jae’s opinions, but credentials shouldn’t enter into biblical discussion here, imo. That’s not fair to lay on people discussing spirituality. A PhD in theology doesn’t mean someone knows God better necessarily.
 
Lol @blackbelt1961. Not diminishing higher education in the least. I suppose in the light of sometimes endemic patriarchy, I react when a man with less knowledge and education always assumes he has more knowledge and intelligence than a woman who has better "credentials" (whatever they are)

My apologies to the rest of the men in this community.
 
I think men telling women they are subordinates is bulls**t. I don’t like women having to use credentials within patriarchal systems and structures to confront men about the bulls**t though. It creates such cognitive dissonance, because patriarchy is the overarching system by which the world operates - how else? So, women’s achievements and knowledge and wisdom are also judged through the lens of patriarchy and its institutions. I guess it’s that way, until it changes. I don’t want to see the system replaced by women upholding patriarchal systems of power, instead of men, in the same way as men have always done. I’d like to see a completely transformed, different system that is fair for all.
 
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Kimmio. Agree with the PhD comment. The greatest learning, at least for me, during doctoral work has been coming to understand all that we/I don't know. It really gives one a sense of the boundaries of knowledge.
 
Kimmio said:
I think men telling women they are subordinates is bulls**t. I don’t like women having to use credentials within patriarchal systems and structures to confront men with about the bulls**t though. I guess it’s that way, until it changes. I don’t want to see the system replaced by women upholding patriarchal systems of power in the same way as men have always done. I’d like to see a completely different system that is fair for all.
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Wholeheartedly agree.

However I have had many conversations about the reality that dictates how women need to prove themselves in these environments simply to have a voice. Often the proving is to have to stack credentials well beyond what men may have. I have had many conversations with people who do work in the field of caregiving ethics about the fact that the knowledge of mothers (a very legitimate form of knowledge re: caregiving, one would think) is almost always ignored unless the mother has a PhD. It is getting better, but the ivory tower is still fairly patriarchal.

It is wrong, but yet here we have a thread in which a man is espousing an ideology that places his spiritual leadership ahead of women who have years of experience, and piles of education, simply because he has a penis.
 
That has been my experience with education too DaisyJane.

I agree that we don't want to replace patriarchy with a female lead version of the same.

Unfortunately, sometimes we have to play the game while we change it.
 
DaisyJane said:
It is wrong, but yet here we have a thread in which a man is espousing an ideology that places his spiritual leadership ahead of women who have years of experience, and piles of education, simply because he has a penis.
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Am I allowed to post Monty Python's "The Penis Song" here or does that violate the code? :D
 
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