The women divide the plunder ?

[GordW]

In my mind equality means equal in all ways: roles, power, authority, opportunity. Complementarianism does not mean that. Therefore complementarianism is not equality. In the second mythic account of Creation, when humanity are created there is no suggestion of anything other than full equality in the phrases "bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh".

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

How else will you know Christ is finally back and ruling, if there is not lasting peace on the earth where, in the time which, you live? What are the beatitudes all about, then?

How can we be working with God, on God’s side, to bring about lasting peace, by advocating for those who support destruction of the planet? (We can’t.) How can we praise God while continuing to destroy creation? (we can’t.)

Would people who tend towards being literalists essentially understand the meaning/ concept/symbolism of “when Mother Earth gets her Mojo back?”

 

[Jaebius]

Jesus’ ministry showed his knowledge that women have purpose and value. Indeed, he saw them as the spiritual equals of men.

Jesus was simultaneously for women and complementarian. His treatment of women was in keeping with God’s original design for role differences.

An obvious example of his complentarian stance's his selection of an all-male apostolic leadership. That Jesus chose only men to be his apostles indicates that his attitude toward women didn't mean including them in all leadership roles.

Jesus never simply went along with his day's social customs. He mingled with tax collectors, ate without washing his hands, differently defined the Sabbath, interpreted in a new way the temple, condemned the Pharisees and honoured women.

While he overturned some Jewish interpretations, Jesus never rejected biblical teaching from the OT. He honored women in a countercultural way without rejecting all he inherited from his Jewish-OT background concerning men and women.

Jesus called only Jewish males as apostles. That he thereby said something about male leadership doesn't mean that he said a similar thing about Jewish leadership. The apostles' Jewishness' linked to a moment in salvation history, while their maleness isn't.

Following Pentecost, God's kingdom was no longer for the Jews alone. Gentiles like Titus and Dr. Luke assumed positions of leadership and teaching. But when the 11 needed another to succeed Judas, they wanted a man who had been with them.

 

[Ritafee]

I think we have to be assertive in naming the problem and not allowing it to go on. That would be criticism. I think challenging old ideas and critical thought, and the people who perpetuate it is criticism and there's nothing wrong with that. I can't think of any person who has been outspoken in the name of peace and social justice who has not been critical. Jesus was critical. Gandhi was critical. MLK was critical.

They were indeed critical ... Jesus Ghandhi and MLK ... and they were all willing to die for 'non-violently' challenging old ideas ... and they all did.

Patriarchy has been named and named and named and named ... to my mind it is more of an excuse than the actual problem.
While I claim no perfection in acting out my criticisms ... when it comes to patriarchy - without naming it - I have spent the majority of my life challenging it - to the worldly detriment of my physical and financial well being - but to the eternal well being of my spirit. So ... for me when it comes to patriarchy - now that I know it's name - being older and wiser in my approach to rectifying the problem ... I am willing to die (in the flesh) in defiance of subordination to it - and that is the son in me as well as the daughter in me - intuitively speaking - rising up.

 

[Luce NDs]

Does a subordinate power hate to give it up ... and thus the excess desire to maintain power?

It is enough to drive a person to babble when observing people who wish to take over ... yet say that they are not like that ... when they are in the present dimension of weaker thought!

Makes me recall George Orwell:

The farther a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it!
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Thus the truth is lost to those of power due to the subordinate clause ... and on top of that the powerful (Jude'n) Christians will tend to flare and burn and believe they are lighting up the night ... while all they are is a glowing example of how not to do it.

It sort of takes one into that realm of the mental process that demands subtle motivation ... that lesser power that will diminish to the point where one can escape the reality of the world built on lies about who is the greatest power ... and the winners are discovered self destructive ... thus A Moor Po' ... out on the bog with Pete?

Possible Jahne Eire ... breezing ...

Thus some dark occult words were dropped into the script of powerful live for the rest of us to understand in a lesser way from bottom side and thus the cartoon about walking the Planck wall ... like a Kat ... forming that invisible barrier between none's and almost nones ... amounting to nothing when it is all over ... something not to be missed so keep an eye on the other's ass as the gods made us in such a way that we can't see our own ... thus that type of semantic memory (something to research as sometimes considered as part of the phantom of psyche or the ghost of sol that may lead to an essence of NDs ... and few can observe it ...

To begin with few wished to know of it to begin with as the desire to lead was to great and they couldn't follow much except for Thomas ... a hole tester ... integrally he got it together as pinched ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Semantic memory can really put a variable story together so we won't be bored by the eidetic types that don't see change, creep or alternating sides coming ... and that with the great weaver consolidating the Robe ... mortals will tear it to shreds and patches ... they're just determined to destroy anything with a sense of up and down balance when flat-lined! Resembles OBI ... and you know how folks are over such sketched possibilities ... only a shimmer of a skeleton left as a bloody silhouette ... in a rag like a flag on the arch (old word for a rule when someone's heart is bleeding for the other ... emathetics?

Tere's an expression that you can only express such none-sense in the form of a story as mental none sense is ... you know ... kind of beyond the people of great desiree! Thus Nun was observed ... as it was gone ... you know ... the sense ovite! Only the gom as known is some places as the fertile Po' Ute ... and the hanging lower lip ...

Bring on the clowns and let it begin ... cause there's nothing to it ... major absence or abstracts?

And it was impossible to see condescension because of presumed betterment in the rising of the tale of hair up conditions ... until it was a let down ... sufficiently scary to warrant a story ...

 

[Jaebius]

An interesting complementarian document is The Danvers Statement of 1987 which states in part, "In the church, redemption in Christ gives men and women an equal share in the blessings of salvation; nevertheless, some governing and teaching roles within the church are restricted to men (Gal 3:28; 1 Cor 11:2-16; 1 Tim 2:11-15)."

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

They were indeed critical ... Jesus Ghandhi and MLK ... and they were all willing to die for 'non-violently' challenging old ideas ... and they all did.

Patriarchy has been named and named and named and named ... to my mind it is more of an excuse than the actual problem.
While I claim no perfection in acting out my criticisms ... when it comes to patriarchy - without naming it - I have spent the majority of my life challenging it - to the worldly detriment of my physical and financial well being - but to the eternal well being of my spirit. So ... for me when it comes to patriarchy - now that I know it's name - being older and wiser in my approach to rectifying the problem ... I am willing to die (in the flesh) in defiance of subordination to it - and that is the son in me as well as the daughter in me - intuitively speaking - rising up.

Every person dies on this earth sometime. I’d rather see people willing to live as long as they can in order to non violently challenge old ideas (that harm) - dedicating the time they have - because the world needs all the help it can get.

 

[Jaebius]

An interesting complementarian document is The Danvers Statement of 1987 which states in part, "In the church, redemption in Christ gives men and women an equal share in the blessings of salvation; nevertheless, some governing and teaching roles within the church are restricted to men (Gal 3:28; 1 Cor 11:2-16; 1 Tim 2:11-15)."

Thoughts on Galatians 3:28...

All missionaries are alike before God. Because in Baptism the missionaries have put on Jesus, so distinctions of nationality are done away with.

God doesn't care whether a person was originally a Jew, and under the Law, or a Greek, a Gentile living in license: by putting on Jesus they become God's children.

In salvation's terms, rank, class and sex distinctions are done away with. In the missional Church men and women are in the same way God's children through Jesus.

Within the Church, before God, missionaries are all alike, sinners in salvation's need, God's children by faith in Jesus, and so all one in him.

Jesus the Head, and all missionaries the body; in him's life, from him all his members derive life.

 

[Luce NDs]

An interesting complementarian document is The Danvers Statement of 1987 which states in part, "In the church, redemption in Christ gives men and women an equal share in the blessings of salvation; nevertheless, some governing and teaching roles within the church are restricted to men (Gal 3:28; 1 Cor 11:2-16; 1 Tim 2:11-15)."

Some Golden Bull from the Bishoprics of the Empire messed up that Grim Tale ... thus bad Nous ... ABBA'd thing until right into the hole thing ... beyond the constant Plank ... this uncertain for shore ... a shaky attribute!

With enough wool over the eyes you can't hear the beaus weavens ...

 

[DaisyJane]

You can post all the justification you want, complementarianism according to most, suppresses human rights and human dignity.

As well, according to most contemporary NT scholars, there is little Scriptural justification.

If the only way you/men can sustain positions of leadership is to actively suppress the opportunities for women to hold such leadership positions, it says a great deal about you, and your skills.

 

[Jaebius]

You can post all the justification you want, complementarianism according to most, suppresses human rights and human dignity.

"According to most?" Easily said. Do you have any actual, solid stats on that. Course, even if most people feel one way or another about something it doesn't necessarily make their opinion the correct one.

 

[Luce NDs]

You can post all the justification you want, complementarianism according to most, suppresses human rights and human dignity.

As well, according to most contemporary NT scholars, there is little Scriptural justification.

Such things do not go over well with the powerful patriarchs ... thus the gentile subtle dudes ... as dune or near dune ... there's actually a spiritual group by that name ... you can do that too! Draw things out of the darker parts of the mental process sometimes called occult by those that would rather not get immersed in it ... too complex?

You can really bugger up the simple with articles on autonoetic memory ... which appears to oppose the eidetic memory that is not always photographically perfect ... then there are some that have no memes whatsoever and must go by a book of protocol that they have no recollection of how it came about as a phantom vessel ...

Is that like a pyre boat? It may ignite something ... enlightening a process in a place previously dark and flushed ...

 

[DaisyJane]

"According to most?" Easily said. Do you have any actual, solid stats on that. Course, even if most people feel one way or another about something it doesn't necessarily make their opinion the correct one.

I actually could provide an extensive lit review. I won't, because I am writing a different lit review and simply don't have the time to respond to you. Nor do I have any real interest in going further with this conversation. You are not willing to nuance your thinking, and you've made it VERY clear you sure as hell aren't willing to learn from a woman.

And, for the love of all that is holy, please read your last sentence over, and over, and over, to yourself. You might learn something.

 

[Jaebius]

I actually could provide an extensive lit review. I won't, because I am writing a different lit review and simply don't have the time to respond to you.

And, for the love of all that is holy, please read your last sentence over, and over, and over, to yourself. You might learn something.

What is morally correct is not determined by popular opinion. It is God who has rightfully determined how things should be.

 

[Luce NDs]

What is morally correct is not determined by popular opinion. It is God who has rightfully determined how things should be.

Its in the secluded book as well ... idealistic ... but generally irrational given what we really know about ancient stuff!

 

[DaisyJane]

What is morally correct is not determined by popular opinion. It is God who has rightfully determined how things should be.

And apparently you know God better than most. Even those who have studied God's word extensively, in its original language and with a deep understanding of the socio/historical/political context of the day.

 

[Luce NDs]

And apparently you know God better than most. Even those who have studied God's word extensively, in its original language and with a deep understanding of the socio/historical/political context of the day.

It is a matter of gross esteem ... ruag hubris!

 

[Jaebius]

And apparently you know God better than most. Even those who have studied God's word extensively, in its original language and with a deep understanding of the socio/historical/political context of the day.

Never said that DaisyJane. You do realize that there are people who have done as you say here who are on the complementarian side of things.

Oh, and I have studied, and continue to study, God's Word, including in its socio/historical/political context. That includes studying the New Testament in Koine.

 

[Luce NDs]

And still folks can be stunned into naivete ... isn't that awesome how a myth can do that?