Ontario's Radical Sex Ed Curriculum
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revjohn
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Pr. Jae said:
I'm calling bulls**t. Did you or did you not post up thread
Pr. Jae said:
Those aren't your words? I'm not quoting you from your own post?
Pr. Jae said:
Uh-huh. not just our Premier but our 'lesbian' premier. And what kind of friends might our 'lesbian' premier have. None connected to pedophilia eh?
revjohn
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Waterfall said:
Then make the new curriculum about the new curriculum instead of Ben levin.
Waterfall said:
Indeed there are. No statements actually put Levin in the actual creation of this curriculum. Many insinuate. That isn't truth-telling.
Waterfall said:
My concern is not the conservative or liberal point of view from which the new curriculum is critiqued. My concern is with the honesty of the critique.
Any critique that references Ben Levin or the several other falsehoods perpetrated or collected by the CLC is a dishonest critique no matter how sincerely held.
revjohn
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It has been stated by individuals who actually have a great deal to lose if proof otherwise turns up, that Levin had nothing to do with it.
Which doesn't constitute proof.
It still represents something far more substantial that what those making such allegations offer.
The words that I posted John are not an allegation that
revjohn said:
Rather John, as I stated even in earlier in the thread, my view is just that any creation always in some way reflects the biases of those (or the one) who created it. To make clear John - this doesn't allege a deliberate fashioning.
Now as to Ben's involvement in the creation of the new curriculum, I just finished reading this article on The Toronto Sun website...
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/02/liberals-cant-deny-levins-role-with-sex-ed-curriculum
It states in part...
"On Feb. 25, 2015, Wynne spokesman Zita Astravas wrote in an e-mail that “the following was sent to reporters on Feb. 18 ... Ben Levin had no involvement in the development of the content of the curriculum. Curriculum is developed by subject experts and is based on research in addition to consultations with a wide array of people, including teachers, parents and students.”
No involvement?
Memos show Levin announcing he is taking over the “renamed” Learning and Curriculum department and “will have responsibilty for curriculum.” It’s nonsensical and troubling to suggest Levin was not involved. In the interest of children, with these documents now public, members of the legislature should sanction the premier and minister for spinning attempts."
revjohn
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Waterfall said:
Ben Levin tainted nothing to do with this new curriculum. That is fact.
Others have used Ben Levin to taint the new curriculum. That is fact.
For Ben Levin to taint the new curriculum Ben Levin would have to claim that he wrote it.
He has not made such a claim. That is fact.
ChemGal
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@Waterfall do you find some of the new recommended curriculum to be age inappropriate? If so, which parts?
RitaTG
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You lost me .... what has this to do with the topic?????
RitaTG
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Perhaps.... we will wait and see....
For example:
Talking about masturbation in grade 6
Anal and oral sex...grade 7 and 8
We are told that Ontario is behind in our curriculum compared to other provinces, yet it doesn't seem that way when I read this:
http://globalnews.ca/news/1847912/sexual-education-compared-across-canada/
And if you notice, Quebec is the only province that includes the word "love" in it's curriculum when in fact they don't have a mandatory curriculum at all.
I do think that is an interesting concept, to include "love" in sex education instead of focusing on how to HAVE sex rather than placing more emphasis on the fact that great sex can also include our brains and love.
ChemGal
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My sex ed wasn't about learning to have sex, and that's not what I see here.
I learned how to take an engine apart and put it back together before I could have my learner's permit. I knew what traffic lights meant, various parts of a car, possible outcomes of speeding, etc. all before I was driving.
chansen
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You can keep a car out of the hands of children. Got an idea how you do the same with their own genetalia?
The fact is, kids talk, kids experiment, and they do this with little knowledge of the repercussions. Do we arm them with knowledge, or do we let them be ignorant and deal with the consequences later? That's the choice.
ChemGal
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Many young children masturbate, is it age inappropriate for them to know what it is?
Most people are going to hear about anal and oral sex in their teens - isn't better for them to learn from facts rather than slang and rumours?
chansen
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Yep, and guaranteed they've seen porn of both before that. And this is the age when many of them are starting sexual relationships. You can thank Chrisitianity for some girls thinking that anal sex is biblically permissible:
So why not campaign for its inclusion rather than the scrapping of the entire curriculum for bogus reasons like Ben Levin?
How do you know that most people are going to hear that ChemGal? How are you forecasting those future events? Are you just basing your prediction on what has happened in the past? If so, what is the source of your stats? Of course, under the new curriculum students are going to learn virtually everything once teachers like @Nancy begin to instill government mandated morality into them.