Not a pedophile, only a child pornographer. Honest mistake on my part. My apologies to the child pornographer. We are still faced with the fact that the Ontario government will soon be implanting into our children ideas about sexuality and sexual morality created in part by a child pornographer and endorsed by our lesbian premier and her friends.
Ontario's Radical Sex Ed Curriculum
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Teachers seem to think morality should be included in the teachings. Just ask @Nancy
Anyone know if child pornographer is usually just a spectator sport?
Some questions I have would also be:
How long will a class on sex education last? 45 mins? 1 hour? Will it be once a week, month, year? What qualifications will be demanded from the teacher? Any special training?
Would parents have the option of sitting in these classes if they wanted to? Honestly I would be curious how competent my child's teacher was at teaching this especially if the child was in grade 6 and under.
Will they be sending home information about what children have been taught that day with regards to this subject? Will an outline be provided as to when and what is being taught so parents may follow up the discussion?
How will teachers cope or recognize any child that is terribly uncomfortable talking about sex in a group setting? Has anyone asked the students whether they would prefer to be mentored by someone of the same sex? or if some girls would prefer to talk about some things away from the boys or vice versa?
How long will a class on sex education last? 45 mins? 1 hour? Will it be once a week, month, year? What qualifications will be demanded from the teacher? Any special training?
Would parents have the option of sitting in these classes if they wanted to? Honestly I would be curious how competent my child's teacher was at teaching this especially if the child was in grade 6 and under.
Will they be sending home information about what children have been taught that day with regards to this subject? Will an outline be provided as to when and what is being taught so parents may follow up the discussion?
How will teachers cope or recognize any child that is terribly uncomfortable talking about sex in a group setting? Has anyone asked the students whether they would prefer to be mentored by someone of the same sex? or if some girls would prefer to talk about some things away from the boys or vice versa?
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Yes. The knowledge should be in place well before kids become sexually active.
Jon, how is sex-ed done in your state of New York?
I forget the exact age, but when my girl was younger than that we talked about. Capt. Jack Harkness from Dr. Who helped. I told her that most of the time boys like girls and girls like boys but sometimes boys like boys and girls like girls and some people like boys and girls. It was a very simple truth and she accepted it just fine.
revjohn
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Okay what part of the curriculum did Levin write? All of it? Half of it? Some of it? Anybody know the actual truth or will we just continue to be party to the lies of others like "real" lovers of truth would?
What we know is that Ben Levin briefly functioned as a Deputy Minister for the Ontario Ministry of Education around 2009.
Does anybody believe that the Minister of Education or a Deputy Minister actually write curriculum? If so, you are not only ignorant you are naive.
At most, the Minister or Deputy Minister will review what has been written.
Does anyone want to assert that Levin directed the writers of the curriculum to make it more "groomy".
Sure, that paragon of truth Charles McVety insists he obviously did that.
Mary Ellen Douglas of CLC (another bastion of honesty) says that it raises the spectre (it doesn't--she does).
And Joe Warmington of the SUN connects the McVety lies and the Douglas insinuation to get a fabulous story with a sensational title. How could that not be as good as truth?
And parsing between whether Levin is a child ponrographer vs. a pedophile is moot if Levin did not write the curriculum,
It is actually part of the fear mongering smear campaign that McVety excels at and Douglas has committed to. It is not the same as an attempt to learn the truth.
What we know is that Ben Levin briefly functioned as a Deputy Minister for the Ontario Ministry of Education around 2009.
Does anybody believe that the Minister of Education or a Deputy Minister actually write curriculum? If so, you are not only ignorant you are naive.
At most, the Minister or Deputy Minister will review what has been written.
Does anyone want to assert that Levin directed the writers of the curriculum to make it more "groomy".
Sure, that paragon of truth Charles McVety insists he obviously did that.
Mary Ellen Douglas of CLC (another bastion of honesty) says that it raises the spectre (it doesn't--she does).
And Joe Warmington of the SUN connects the McVety lies and the Douglas insinuation to get a fabulous story with a sensational title. How could that not be as good as truth?
And parsing between whether Levin is a child ponrographer vs. a pedophile is moot if Levin did not write the curriculum,
It is actually part of the fear mongering smear campaign that McVety excels at and Douglas has committed to. It is not the same as an attempt to learn the truth.
Unfortunately my state is Tennessee. Here is the south we have almost nothing in the way of sex education which means unacceptably high rates of s.t.d.s and unplanned pregnancies which in turn lead to more abortions. I've always found it crazy that most "pro-life" people have such a hard time with sex ed. Sex ed will reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies which in turn will reduce the number of abortions. Anyway Tennessee is pretty much just an example of what not to do. If it wasn't for the federal govt. "interfering" we'd be a third world country. I wish the federal govt. "interfered" a lot more.
Well, I can see that warning ⚠ about STDs is a safe thing to do, especially since some high school kids are sexually active these days. I don't know that teachers like @Nancy have to be teaching sex-ed in elementary school. Also - Tennessee may be behind the times in terms of sex-ed, but is it possible for the pendulum to swing too far to the other side?
From what I've read about Ontario's plan it seems awesome. It's a role model plan that should be implemented everywhere. As with anything though you have to lay a ground work early. It's like math. We start with teaching kids to count to ten. Then we work on addition and subtraction. Then comes the multiplication tables and short division. Then we have fractions and decimals and long division. Then comes algebra. It's done at a deliberate and reasonable pace, building on what's been taught before. The same needs to be true of sex ed. It starts with some simple basics and builds on that.
revjohn
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Pr. Jae said:
Well that's the rumour. Close enough to truth for you is it? It was you who told me once that Baptists are concerned about truth wasn't it? More concerned with truth than unity way the way it went right?
Pr. Jae said:
I'm curious.
Even if it were proven (and it hasn't been) that Levin did write the curriculum would that be bad enough or does it somehow become worse because the premier is a lesbian?
Would the curriculum be better if she wasn't a lesbian? I'm just trying to figure out what the real issue is.
And these "friends" of hers. Who are they and what makes them worrisome because it wasn't bad enough that the premier is a lesbian she is a lesbian 'with friends.'
Would the curriculum be better if lesbians didn't have any friends? Again I'm trying to figure out what the real issue is.
You probably have some idea of what I'm pointing at. I'm not going to make the allegation.
You might want to consider the manner in which you are waddling and quacking particularly if you don't want others labelling you some kind of duck.
I said:
Rev John, if you think what I said is not truth, what part(s) of it do you dispute? You always do well in logically presenting your thoughts, so I'm looking forward to your response here.
I would like to know who/how many wrote the new curriculum and what their qualifications are. Do you know? Because I can't find anything anywhere that answers that question.
revjohn
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Pr. Jae,
I have been very clear in my posts about Levin's involvement in writing the curriculum. Allegations have been made that he was involved in the development. Those allegations have not been proven. The allegations also come from individuals who have no hesitation about stabbing truth in the back. Especially with respect to the curriculum as you showed with the blog from Pastor Kevin and as I showed with the article written by Coren
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/02/18/levin-not-involved-in-new-sex-ed-curriculum-sandals
Prove Liz Sandals is lying when she guarantees Levin was not a part of developing the new curriculum.
Now, for the sake argument Levin had nothing to do with it.
Is the curriculum problematic because the Premier is a lesbian or not?
Is the curriculum problematic because lesbians have friends or not?
Those are your allegations. I'm trying to figure out the truth you are pointing to by making them.
I have been very clear in my posts about Levin's involvement in writing the curriculum. Allegations have been made that he was involved in the development. Those allegations have not been proven. The allegations also come from individuals who have no hesitation about stabbing truth in the back. Especially with respect to the curriculum as you showed with the blog from Pastor Kevin and as I showed with the article written by Coren
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/02/18/levin-not-involved-in-new-sex-ed-curriculum-sandals
Prove Liz Sandals is lying when she guarantees Levin was not a part of developing the new curriculum.
Now, for the sake argument Levin had nothing to do with it.
Is the curriculum problematic because the Premier is a lesbian or not?
Is the curriculum problematic because lesbians have friends or not?
Those are your allegations. I'm trying to figure out the truth you are pointing to by making them.
RitaTG
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Why not send an email to the government and just ask them for the list?
revjohn
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Waterfall said:
Typically there is no one single author for any curriculum. Single authors might contribute to one lesson out of hundreds. Teachers from around the province might be temporarily seconded for a program simply because they are experienced in the area and have been recognized by their peers as being exceptional in certain fields. Without a doubt the new health curriculum was written by a team of individuals most of which have a background as educators themselves.
Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Training Colleges and Information is down right now so I can't see if the contributors for the curriculum are named anywhere.
My wife teaches in the Faculty of Education at Brock she might have a curriculum of some kind kicking around in her office though I doubt she will have the new health curriculum.
My wife did write the first AQ course in Autism offered in Ontario. It was offered by Redeemer University. Writing curriculum for a university is different. The Province stipulates what the curriculum must cover and leaves it up to each university to develop its own curriculum. That curriculum must be submitted to the Province for approval (which she got).
Curriculum at the elementary and secondary levels is written by teams. Again those teams are made up of certified teachers who have been recognized for their skills in pedagogy (rather than pedophilia or pornography) or the subject matter.
Here is what Ben Levin pleaded guilty to:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...ps-ontario-scholars-stunning-fall-from-grace/
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...ps-ontario-scholars-stunning-fall-from-grace/