Ontario's Radical Sex Ed Curriculum

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chansen said:
Yep, and guaranteed they've seen porn of both before that. And this is the age when many of them are starting sexual relationships. You can thank Chrisitianity for some girls thinking that anal sex is biblically permissible:




So why not campaign for its inclusion rather than the scrapping of the entire curriculum for bogus reasons like Ben Levin?
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Guaranteed that all children before grade 8 have seen porn of masturbation, and anal and oral sex? Is that your claim chansen?
 
chansen said:
So why not campaign for its inclusion rather than the scrapping of the entire curriculum for bogus reasons like Ben Levin?
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Ben Levin is not a reason to scrap anything, IMO. As stated before, he has tainted the issues and I do believe that should be honestly addressed with answering any questions nervous, prudish, scared, uniformed, open minded, close minded parents need to ask.

It's my understanding this curriculum is a done deal to be implemented starting September. Would have been better to take more time and get more input from parents.

Is this curriculum mandatory or can parents pull their kids out of it?
 
Pr. Jae said:
Guaranteed that all children before grade 8 have seen porn of masturbation, and anal and oral sex? Is that your claim chansen?
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How gullible can you be? Seriously, you're scaring me if you think that's a stretch.

Will they admit to you in your church that they've seen it? No, they'll lie.
 
chansen said:
It's my understanding that backward parents will be accommodated.
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Hahahaha!

Seriously, the government cannot assume that all parents have to be on the same page as to what they feel is the correct age for introducing certain subjects, there are some concessions to be made and fears to be addressed.

Do you know if it's mandatory when the school year starts in September?
 
chansen said:
How gullible can you be? Seriously, you're scaring me if you think that's a stretch.

Will they admit to you in your church that they've seen it? No, they'll lie.
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Wow. I hope that's not indicative of your own childhood. I had certainly not seen such porn, and that alone puts an end to the notion that every child has. chansen, grade 8 is about age 13. In my opinion no one should be allowing children of that age to be accessing any kind of porn.
 
Pr. Jae said:
Wow. I hope that's not indicative of your own childhood. I had certainly not seen such porn, and that alone puts an end to the notion that every child has. chansen, grade 8 is about age 13. In my opinion no one should be allowing children of that age to be accessing any kind of porn.
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It. Is. 2015.
 
Pr. Jae said:
And. In. 2015. Children. Still. Need. Protection.
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I agree. You protect them by giving them information to make informed decisions. You don't protect them by assuming they are too stupid or pretending that ignorance is a virtue.

We teach kids how to cross a road long before we allow them to do it on their own. Why? For practice, and in case they suddenly decide to when we or someone else isn't looking. What you're suggesting it akin to not teaching anything about road safety until the age of 6 or 7.

Enforced ignorance about sex is not protection. It is the opposite of protection. It is negligence.
 
chansen said:
I agree. You protect them by giving them information to make informed decisions. You don't protect them by assuming they are too stupid or pretending that ignorance is a virtue.

We teach kids how to cross a road long before we allow them to do it on their own. Why? For practice, and in case they suddenly decide to when we or someone else isn't looking. What you're suggesting it akin to not teaching anything about road safety until the age of 6 or 7.

Enforced ignorance about sex is not protection. It is the opposite of protection. It is negligence.
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Sometimes governments take away all the fun, LOL!
http://www.corsinet.com/braincandy/hage5.html
 
chansen said:
Yeah, those girls who won't get pregnant at 15 will be totally missing out.
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Oh has it stopped? Will the new sex curriculum rule that out?

I'm just saying.....sometimes all of our thoughts don't need to be discussed with teachers. (anyhoo, now you can buy Hello Barbie for invasion of our childrens privacy, LOL)
 
Pr. Jae said:
Why is the curriculum needed now when it wasn't needed for generations of school kids? For what latent reasons is the Ontario government introducing this curriculum at this time?
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But it was needed generations ago. It was needed in the 1940s and 1950s when I was a child in school - full of questions and misinformation - no idea where babies came from until an older kid told me that f***ing caused babies to grow in their mother's stomachs, and then thinking that every time a man and woman did 'it' they would have a baby. My poor cousin - her mother had a baby about every second year - eight little sisters and brothers - just imagine how ucky - 8 times - no it would be 9 counting her. And rumours of 'that's not his real father' or 'his sister is his mother' and not understanding. As well as questions about my developing body.
Sex education? In grade eight an embarassed gym teacher passed out booklets put out by a company promoting hygiene products "You're a Young Lady Now" - about two years after this information was needed by at least a few of us.
And lots and lots of false information.
We would have been a heck of a lot happier, healthier and safer if we had had a bit more information back then.
 
We didn't have sex ed until grade 8 - which is about the time I feel it should start. We were given the basics on how a man and a woman get together to produce a child (or children in the case of twins etc.). That's the amount of education which I feel we needed.
 
Pr. Jae said:
We didn't have sex ed until grade 8 - which is about the time I feel it should start. We were given the basics on how a man and a woman get together to produce a child (or children in the case of twins etc.). That's the amount of education which I feel we needed.
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Girls need it sooner because they start puberty sooner and sometimes they get their periods well before grade 8 and need to know what to do, and that there's nothing wrong with them. We started sex Ed in grade 5 (girls did - I don't remember for boys. Maybe grade 6 or 7.)

They also need to know about contraception and safer sex because teen pregnancies and STDs do happen no matter how "good" people think their kids are - even if one believes they should wait until marriage, everyone knows it doesn't always (or even often) happen, and therefore they need to be educated.
 
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In BC we had sex Ed teachers called "Family Life" teachers. Everybody knew that meant sex Ed though. I think, if I remember, they were teachers from our school who'd had extra training for it. We never got into anything "controversial", just basic biology, until about grade 8 or 9. I think by grade 9 it was co-ed. Prior, girls and boys were seperated. Then, we learned about contraception, and we're allowed to ask any question we wanted anonymously on a piece of paper we put into a box and the teacher would try to answer it, and he or she was always very open. No question was taboo. I just remember feeling embarassed to put a question into the box in case everyone laughed.

My mom gave me a book and a talk when I was 9 or 10 - I already had a vague idea by then. Beyond that it was a matter of being directed to the products under the bathroom sink when the time came, and being given my step-sister's hand me down bra with no conversation except "try this on and if it fits you can have it" - so most learning happened at school. Took the awkwardness out of it for parents - but they never objected.
 
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