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The one problem I have seen with trying to be more "playful" in worship is that sometimes the "play" itself comes across as forced, like they are trying too hard to make things playful. Better to let it happen naturally, as it does for someone like Horowitz.
 
Mendalla said:
The one problem I have seen with trying to be more "playful" in worship is that sometimes the "play" itself comes across as forced, like they are trying too hard to make things playful. Better to let it happen naturally, as it does for someone like Horowitz.
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Yes a good point Mendella. Will be interesting to see how worship plays out this year. Hopefully it will be more Horowitz than Liberace....
 
You just never know said:
Hopefully it will be more Horowitz than Liberace....
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Not really a good example. Liberace was a natural playful personality and actually a fairly good pianist, even if that got lost in the showmanship that was his real talent.

The kind of thing I am thinking of is services where, instead of injecting someone's idea of play into the service forcibly, you look for openings to make it happen spontaneously. Riff off things that are said in Children's Time, invite dialogue and respond to it, leave openings to respond to what happens rather than planning things down to the second. A service that is more Oscar Peterson than Vladimir Horowitz. Jazz is a much more spontaneous and (often) playful form than classical.

There are conscious things you can do and plan, but if you plan "play" down to the second, as I have seen done, you have missed the point.
 
Nancy said:
I like the idea of doing Bible study before church, and, in particular, study the readings that will become part of the message. I think that would make it so much more meaningful to people. It might lead to wondering, disagreement and questioning the minister. How wonderful would that be! Last week, at my beloved church, with our beloved minister....I noticed so many bored and disinterested faces in the congregation. They were not engaging in the message at all. They weren't seeking to understand. It made me sad.
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Suppose this attribute of absence is wide spread because of too broad-minded folks!

  • One step too far dear Jesus ... they learned things from beyond ... a pain?
 
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You just never know said:
Yes a good point Mendella. Will be interesting to see how worship plays out this year. Hopefully it will be more Horowitz than Liberace....
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There is intercourse and then discourse ... and discourse is one-side like that ethers; that is mean to an end!

Some folk just can't get beyond it ...
 
Mendalla said:
Not really a good example. Liberace was a natural playful personality and actually a fairly good pianist, even if that got lost in the showmanship that was his real talent.

The kind of thing I am thinking of is services where, instead of injecting someone's idea of play into the service forcibly, you look for openings to make it happen spontaneously. Riff off things that are said in Children's Time, invite dialogue and respond to it, leave openings to respond to what happens rather than planning things down to the second. A service that is more Oscar Peterson than Vladimir Horowitz. Jazz is a much more spontaneous and (often) playful form than classical.

There are conscious things you can do and plan, but if you plan "play" down to the second, as I have seen done, you have missed the point.
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Many stern folk cannot stand churches that are Jaz Zea ... steerage is the way ... direction folks ...
 
Well done Seeler! Life holds it ALL - joy, sorrow, laughter, tears, births, funerals. A frequently quoted part of the Bible says just that "To everything there is a time.....".
My partner was honoured to be Eulogist at a friend's funeral. His recollections brought tears, grins, knowing nods (yes, that IS how he was) and some surprises to some who didn't know him quite as well.
 
Our message was about metaphors of light, Christ, Levites, and bringing enlightened souls to depressed people because of powerfully rich depressive actions to the point of elimination ... pistis Sophie ... yet wack a moe Lie still goes on as thye Lies are kept in the game ...

Anti communities are formed ... but generally unseen ... outer limit hosts? Outlanders or just black swans ... X ceptions as Cepheid? Oh great ...
 
Overslept today so attended worship at Knox as it is closer and would have been late if I had tried to make Hillhurst. They have a fabulous pipe organ and an accomplished organist in Chellan Hoffman so always a treat to be in worship at Knox. Today's sermon was by Rev. Greg Glatz and was based on the story of Eli and Samuel and how we, like Samuel, may often miss Creator's voice. Knox also seems a bit more inclusive than Hillhurst as well so a good place to be in worship. I'm not always the best listener so good to hear Rev. Greg's thoughts and maybe nudges to pay closer attention to the voices we encounter...because you just never know. ;)
 
I spoke on Samuel and Eli too, and ended with urging all of us to be like Samuel...our 'student' 'learner' selves, listening for that call, and then acting on it. I spoke at two little churches, and, as always, felt quite drained after I got home. Thank goodness my husband takes over with supper on days like this, while I watched a mindless movie.
 
That funny voice again ... Einstein was said to talk to that person of great wisdom ... very reflective as a moo 'n Job ...
 
You just never know said:
I think it was Einstein who said you should never trust an atom....they make up everything. :rolleyes:
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Then the ladies of the dark take it away ... and thus IT goes ... a literary device ... a catching word ... impressed God on the media ...

If a racist genius ... you may be too quick to note it ... other that the odour of ode 'Eire ... with deaux you can focus on the bug as a Ba Toute of elle ... a kind of horn held to the ear if you can't hear the vague voices of demos ... can be disconcerting to the powers ...

Ba Toute???? Once portrayed as acacia 'n nip of the Icis Cana Dein side ... Kohl rd humus ... per -maw frosty!
 
My mindset had improved about leading worship today. Interesting though...Second part of the 2-point charge is an inner city church, but most members of the congregation live in the more affluent east end of the city. Good people who perform a ministry by giving out food bags. A fellow came at the end of the service, cornered me alone while I was getting my coat on (he hadn't been in church, just came after church was over), and talked freely about his prison experience, search for God, current needs (food). I think I handled it okay...but all I had to give him was some Tim Horton's cards; I had 2 and the organist gave me 1. I hope I was respectful and encouraging as we talked together about church and God.
 
Seeler did well ... especially pointing out the everywhere of god and where .. Ide was locked out by some eliminating Wahl's and baffling whines in the night .. as the fishermen lift before the don and the bed got cold with the dead horse there ...

Mankind has a great propensity for blocking out pas signs of positive emotions ... to raise negative energy of wars of hate and put downs of whole systems of people and empires work poorly without a well trained bureaucracy for bugging both politicians and the public efficiency ...

There has to be a better way ... out there! A heave in projection of great waves of shuttering? Thus the windows slammed shut ... like snake eyes ... wile characters of unseen attributes ...

Perhaps all from pur' pose of a critter disliked as a sign of surgical accuracy of tracking down the Muse for extraction (opposing a denial situation)!

Sort've like a great misspelt troth ...
 
Pretty good church service today. Good music from the Worship Team, and solid prayer.

In lieu of a sermon from the Pastor today, we had a guest from Creation Research International come and teach us all about the Creation from out of Genesis. He was an excellent speaker. I imagine he has given the same talk in many churches now.

I would have enjoyed his talk even more if there had been a Q&A section at the end, and if he hadn't hawked his ministry's magazines, books, and DVDs.
 
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