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The one thing that I am surprised at in that article, just me (and I apologize for being off topic here), is the lack of discussion regarding activity to increase the serotonin? I thought there was some linkage there.... maybe @Northwind would know.
 
I haven't read that article Pinga. They have been saying serotonin is involved in depression. That is what anti-depressants (or some of them) address. I just read an article that suggested it might not be as they have been thinking. It's complicated.
 
Northwind said:
Kimmio I need to clarify again. I do believe that where there's life, there's hope. Even the addicts on the DES can get sober. Some though will die in their addiction. It is a fact of life. I am well aware of all the factors involved in addiction. Unfortunately there are some who will die drunk. Bill W and Dr Bob knew that in the 30's when they started AA.
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Where there's life there's hope. Just because some people die - that doesn't mean we have to be okay with the fact that some people die.
 
Inannawhimsey said:
No we aren't. Only you, as a competent human being, are legally responsible for yourself & your actions.
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On a human level yes we are responsible for each other. Humanity came before the laws that humanity constructs. We create the laws that determine how much responsibility we're willing to take for one another to look after each other.
 
Kimmio said:
We all have responsibility to each other.
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Liar
From your 'Ableist' thread:
in response to my statement aboot a hypothetical you had written:
"sorry, my statement was valid given the hypothetical that you had raised (that doesn't exist):

given you living in a world where your CP can actually be 'cured' (you have the means as well), then not curing yourself and expecting the rest of society to accommodate your CP is very selfish & immature & sinful..."

You answered:
"No it is not. Perhaps it is selfish and sinful for a person to change how they are in the world to suit you. Is it immature and sinful for a trans person to exist as they are, or for a gay person not to be "cured" somehow of their homosexuality if it were even possible. No. It is not. Society needs to change. "

So, liar you. We should only be responsible for you when it suits YOU, hmm?
 
I don't know how often something like this is reasonable for mental illnesses such as depression. It's not something I'm knowledgeable enough about to have much of an opinion. I do think that mental suffering should be taken into consideration though, not just physical suffering.
I think there are things worse than death. If someone is living through a situation where they feel that is the case, I think there should be more options than what there are currently.

I really expect this to be on the too conservative side - not the too relaxed.
 
Kimmio said:
On a human level yes we are responsible for each other. Humanity came before the laws that humanity constructs. We create the laws that determine how much responsibility we're willing to take for one another to look after each other.
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and that is separate from what I have been talking aboot with competency...what you are writing aboot in the above paragraph is VOLUNTARY. Competency isn't voluntary and there are legal situations where competency can be taken away or given away...

either way, no, we all aren't automatically responsible for each other. YOU are responsible for yourself & those you choose to be responsible for.

That's it.

Anything else is an agreement among people.

Ferinstance, I feel responsible enough not to swear all the time at you. That is completely voluntary on my part and not because I have to or am forced to.
 
Inannawhimsey said:
and that is separate from what I have been talking aboot with competency...what you are writing aboot in the above paragraph is VOLUNTARY. Competency isn't voluntary and there are legal situations where competency can be taken away or given away...

either way, no, we all aren't automatically responsible for each other. YOU are responsible for yourself & those you choose to be responsible for.

That's it.

Anything else is an agreement among people.

Ferinstance, I feel responsible enough not to swear all the time at you. That is completely voluntary on my part and not because I have to or am forced to.
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The above mentioned example - I believe that in an interdependent world we have a responsibility to accommodate and help not necessarily cure (and certainly not kill) people with disabilities.

I'm resisting the urge to tell you to F off today because you're trolling me (you are not a troll but you are enjoying trolling me). There. Just did.
 
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Northwind said:
I'm not okay with the fact that some people die of addictions or depression or cancer, etc. It happens though.
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People don't die of addictions or depression itself like cancer that spreads through the body and stops it from functioning. They die because they either lost hope to recover and/ or they weren't helped or they didn't seek help. With addictions it is the drugs themselves, not the addiction to the drug that actually kills them (sometimes it is severe withdrawl from the drug - but it is still the drug effect at fault. A drug is not itself a disease. The disease that is 'addiction' does not cause death the drugs that one is addicted to, can cause death).
 
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Some people die from addictions in spite of having help. That is a simplistic answer to a complex question. I'm thinking in particular of a man in his 30's who froze to death this winter. He had help and support. His addiction got the better of him. His death was truly tragic. I could list others as well. Sometimes the addiction is just too big, and yes, people lose hope.
 
Northwind said:
Some people die from addictions in spite of having help. That is a simplistic answer to a complex question. I'm thinking in particular of a man in his 30's who froze to death this winter. He had help and support. His addiction got the better of him. His death was truly tragic. I could list others as well. Sometimes the addiction is just too big, and yes, people lose hope.
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It is truly sad.


It was the winter and the drugs that killed him, though. If he'd staved off the drugs and the cold it wouldn't have killed him. The urge to do the drugs doesn't kill as painful as the urge might be. The drugs themselves kill.
 
Inannawhimsey said:
and that is separate from what I have been talking aboot with competency...what you are writing aboot in the above paragraph is VOLUNTARY. Competency isn't voluntary and there are legal situations where competency can be taken away or given away...

either way, no, we all aren't automatically responsible for each other. YOU are responsible for yourself & those you choose to be responsible for.

That's it.

Anything else is an agreement among people.

Ferinstance, I feel responsible enough not to swear all the time at you. That is completely voluntary on my part and not because I have to or am forced to.
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We are responsible for one another. The laws we contruct either reflect that or they don't.
 
That is pretty judgemental Kimmio. You know nothing of this man and you make that proclamation......
 
People have pointed out to me many a time here when I've felt hurt by a comnent that nobody can actually emotionally cause me harm. That whatever anyone says is my choice to feel hurt or not. I own my feelings and all that jazz. Unlike, if someone punched me. That would be real pain and not a choice. Whereas emotional pain is a choice. I tried to disagree but was shut down. I agree to a point. Emotional pain in and of itself is not a harmful thing. How we cope with it can be.
 
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