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Kimmio said:
Well...that's one of the reasons I disagree with the 'mental illness' model of depression in the first place. It negates other factors and possibilities, and as such I think creates dangerous distortions about things like hope for recovery.
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there ARE other models out there. othe models that work just as well as yours (but in a different way) -- and depending on which model is used, different aspects come into play

just not necessarily YOUR aspects

trust in these people who will be actively talking aboot this to look at the issue from multiple angles...multiple povs...models...
 
Justme said:
What?!? So would you trust a mechanic to tell you when to stop fixing your car or is s/he not competent to do so because some imaginary technology may be invented in a decade or so that could breathe some life back into the car?

Bully for you that you CHOOSE to live with your depression. Suffering is personal as I described in my example of migraines. I'm glad you can control your depression but then you see it as a quirk and are content to have it. I see it as a huge ordeal, a disability and incredibly painful (Physically and mentally I might add) - I see what you are saying as incredibly patronizing and myopic - that somehow you know what is best for me because you have depression? Yet you don't think that an MP who is a quadriplegic can speak for people with physical handicaps because he is somehow not meeting some criteria but you with "mild" depression can make that decision for me who has more than just depression?! Would you be ok with me telling you to buck up and get a better paying job that if I had to walk with a cane I would do just that and make a bazillion dollars or that you should just try herbs or other such nonsense?!?

Just because a "cure" may be found in a decade does not mean that I want to/should/choose to suffer for that decade. I am so angry right now. I have no money problems, have a loving husband, really good friends, purpose in my life and psychologically I hurt - a lot. I see this as no different than a person who has terminal cancer and is suffering. I have listed at least once all the things I have tried. There is nothing more that can be tried other than perhaps implanting a pacemaker-type device in my brain to see if it can jolt me into thinking "right" but it's not something I really want to do - my Mom had brain trauma five years ago and it was minimal but it sucks pretty bad.

Right now the pain ebbs and flows and I ride it but if it comes back for months again (the highs hurt as much as the lows for me) - I'd really like to have the option to choose and to do so with dignity.
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Depression is not a 'quirk'. It's painful. But I truly believe (and you don't have to) that it's not just a medical problem requiring a medical solution alone. You seek treatment you think is best and I will continue to view my situation my way - which I also think has merit for me. My intention is not to upset you. I just disagree with the medical model of depression.
 
JustMe, I wonder if it would help if you discussed the topic with others in this thread. There are extremes of opinion which are hard to engage with. Just a thought, maybe direct some of your concepts / thoughts towards others.
 
Most health professionals will recognize that depression is a multi-faceted condition. There are most certainly biological, psychological, social and spiritual aspects to it. That does not negate the fact that there are some highly physical aspects that are well documented. Of course the medical model is not the best and only approach. Doctors are not the only professionals who work in mental health. There are all kinds of treatments available. In spite of that, for some people, depression is a terrible, hopeless condition.
 
Kimmio said:
Depression is not a 'quirk'. It's painful. But I truly believe (and you don't have to) that it's not just a medical problem requiring a medical solution alone. You seek treatment you think is best and I will continue to view my situation my way - which I also think has merit.
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Your depression isn't a 'quirk'.
Your depression is 'painful'.

Your depression isn't justme's or my or anyone else's depression, just like your disabilities and how you handle them, think of them, are anyone else's disability :3
 
Justme said:
@Pinga yes, I was trying to do that and fell back down the rabbit hole. Clearly I failed. Sigh.

I think a few pages ago I posted how I thought we could participate and how to establish criteria but did get sucked back in.
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WC2: can't get enough of it
*dances*

talking aboot depression: i'm in another flareup and hoo-boy! catastrophism, late-night praying for death...now i have a sore throat w/productive cough & am constipated...i've gotta be careful aboot asking universe for favours...:LOL:
 
@Pinga I don't see how wanting to live with and save lives of others living with depression is an extreme opinion. As far as I can tell, assisted suicide for depression is what is extreme. You can't get more extreme than that, can you?
 
JustMe, I do not understand the level of depression of which you write. I know situational /hormonal depression (ie, from the loss of the twins); however, do not understand the type that you write of.

I hope that there is always a good day in the future, a day worth living...a day when you won't feel this way. I am thankful for the wisdom you bring to this thread, and to others. You are articulate, you have wisdom.

I wonder if you or others can help me to see that depth, and also the options for healing..(and I also hear you saying that often there isn't). My fear is that you wild find affirmation here, and honestly, I don't' want to give it to you! So, I worry about the conversation.
 
Inannawhimsey, I am thankful that you continue to find this café a good place to be... you are an important part of the community.
 
Inannawhimsey said:
What people?

No one is saying that

You can do whatever you want with yourself. It is your life.
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Well there are professionals here giving affirmation that sometimes depression is hopeless. I don't believe that and will never believe that. Even to live with disabilities - there's always some hope and good in the worst of times.
 
Kimmio said:
Well there are professionals here giving affirmation that sometimes depression is hopeless. I don't believe that and will never believe that. Even to live with disabilities - there's always some hope and good in the worst of times.
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and none of those 'professionals' are saying what YOU should do with your life, should you be hopeful or not, how you interpret your depression, etc

that is your responsibility, as a competent human being
 
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This is a bad conversation for me to be met with so much opposition just for being "pro-life" (in terms of this issue - my thoughts on abortion are seperate). Because I have been going through serious depression and anxiety lately. I choose not to view it as a medical problem alone. In fact, I am certain it is 95% circumstantial at the moment - triggering the depression/ anxiety. I know for me what factors are barriers but I haven't the strength just yet to overcome the barriers but I am working on it. I don't like to hear people say that sometimes it is hopeless when I recognize how hard it actually is to get through. It's frickin hard. Nevertheless don't want to listen to any talk whatsoever that it is not possible.
 
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