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Mendalla said:
How does the toll compare with the annual toll from the flu now? If it is comparable, why would we take more measures for it than the flu? Unless you're going to argue that we're underdoing measures for the flu, which is certainly a legitimate argument to consider.
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Not sure, but I'm comparing Covid to it's own cycle from start to now.
 
Waterfall said:
Not sure, but I'm comparing Covid to it's own cycle from start to now.
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Right, but I am suggesting we don't look at it in isolation from other diseases. Epidemiologically speaking, is it worse or the same as other severe viral illnesses running loose? That's the question to ask.
 
Mendalla said:
Right, but I am suggesting we don't look at it in isolation from other diseases. Epidemiologically speaking, is it worse or the same as other severe viral illnesses running loose? That's the question to ask.
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My guess its comparable, flu outbreaks in LTC's and retirement homes, have always been isolated. The flu shot also doesnt have a good rating with the elderly, due to its variants every winter.
 
Personally, I am all for masks and other precautions in some settings generally. LTC, medical facilities, etc. And it would be a good idea for people who have or suspect they may have a respiratory illness, too. Masking when you're ill is accepted practice in many East Asian cultures, for instance. But that's as far as I would go if COVID is, in the end, now just in the same league as a bad flu. Not sure there's a lot of benefit to healthy people masking in everyday settings like shopping or their place of work (unless they're health workers, of course).
 
Mendalla said:
How does the toll compare with the annual toll from the flu now? If it is comparable, why would we take more measures for it than the flu? Unless you're going to argue that we're underdoing measures for the flu, which is certainly a legitimate argument to consider.
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Flu deaths for this past season 117 (which was a relatively bad year), 11 years, inclusive of this year only 3 were above 70 deaths. COVID deaths 224 just in 2023. since Oct 1st 2022, 707.
I looked back at flu deaths, since I have been alive, Alberta has never been over 200 influenza deaths in a flu season.
There's definitely some population differences, but in the 80s-90s they were low with 1998 & 1999 being the exception, about 85 and 112 give or take a few looking at non-interactive bar graphs.
 
Mendalla said:
Personally, I am all for masks and other precautions in some settings generally. LTC, medical facilities, etc. And it would be a good idea for people who have or suspect they may have a respiratory illness, too. Masking when you're ill is accepted practice in many East Asian cultures, for instance. But that's as far as I would go if COVID is, in the end, now just in the same league as a bad flu. Not sure there's a lot of benefit to healthy people masking in everyday settings like shopping or their place of work (unless they're health workers, of course).
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I actually think there is a benefit for something like shopping, even if healthy, particularly without kids. It's typically a place with a lot of people, so greater exposure risk especially when respiratory infections are going around a fairly high rates. Avoiding feeling crummy for a few days, reducing risk of damage to lungs even if not serious, and other risks that are connected to infections, Illnesses happen, but throwing on a mask when there situation involves being around a lot of people and it's not a hassle seems like a really minor thing to lower risk.
People with elementary aged kids, elementary teachers, daycare workers, they are probably going to be exposed to most things going around so not sure how much masking helps them when out shopping, in their cases it's probably more helpful to everyone shopping around them.
 
ChemGal said:
Flu deaths for this past season 117 (which was a relatively bad year), 11 years, inclusive of this year only 3 were above 70 deaths. COVID deaths 224 just in 2023. since Oct 1st 2022, 707.
I looked back at flu deaths, since I have been alive, Alberta has never been over 200 influenza deaths in a flu season.
There's definitely some population differences, but in the 80s-90s they were low with 1998 & 1999 being the exception, about 85 and 112 give or take a few looking at non-interactive bar graphs.
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www.thespec.com

Opinion | An inconvenient truth about COVID-19 pandemic

To the surprise of many there were more deaths in Canada in 2022 due to COVID-19 than in 2020 or 2021.
www.thespec.com www.thespec.com
 
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Waterfall said:
TheSpec.comhttps://www.thespec.com/local-ancaster/opinion/2023/01/09/an-inconvenient-truth-about-covid-19-pandemic
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That's interesting. It's also sad. It seems public health people aren't as interested in tracking it and informing us as they once were.
 
There are individuals that declare there is no hidden death urge in hoo mons ... that's sacred! Then the war industry looms ...
 
Mendalla said:
Right, but I am suggesting we don't look at it in isolation from other diseases. Epidemiologically speaking, is it worse or the same as other severe viral illnesses running loose? That's the question to ask.
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THe piece that has yet to be determined (I think, largely because it is a long-term thing) is the after effects of a COVID infection beyond the acute symptoms. This could include "Long COVID" but also some are suggesting the COVID infection lowers the body's ability to fight other infections afterward (no idea for how long or if this also occurs with other acute infections).
 
I would caution against "just the flu". Influenza can be as lethal for some. I realize covid has long term and unknown consequences
 
Do they have cherry flavour yet?

And I tested positive last week

1 night of sweats
2 days of omg so tired
still can't smell

this coof is fun lol


not much else has changed

*must. vote. republican*
*redbaron cannon swivels*

See? Totally fine :3
 
Northwind said:
I would caution against "just the flu". Influenza can be as lethal for some. I realize covid has long term and unknown consequences
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yep
even if it was "just the flu" that would mean two flus instead of 1, which is scary enuf

death and suffering is death and suffering

something changed
i mean even the most draconian lockdown in China was eventually given up because it can't be contained?

so maybe like homelessness and illness and racism (the original meaning not the woke usage), we learn how to exist with it and have mechanisms built around them?
 
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GordW said:
THe piece that has yet to be determined (I think, largely because it is a long-term thing) is the after effects of a COVID infection beyond the acute symptoms. This could include "Long COVID" but also some are suggesting the COVID infection lowers the body's ability to fight other infections afterward (no idea for how long or if this also occurs with other acute infections).
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Wow you are still here. Cool :3

I'm surprised that there still doesn't seem to be a diagnostic test for Long COVID?

We have done so many miracles
like the invention of this amazing gene therapy and vaccine tech...yet...

Its a troubling virus indeed
 
Mendalla said:
Personally, I am all for masks and other precautions in some settings generally. LTC, medical facilities, etc. And it would be a good idea for people who have or suspect they may have a respiratory illness, too. Masking when you're ill is accepted practice in many East Asian cultures, for instance. But that's as far as I would go if COVID is, in the end, now just in the same league as a bad flu. Not sure there's a lot of benefit to healthy people masking in everyday settings like shopping or their place of work (unless they're health workers, of course).
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Also they can be so fashionable

And have added good side effects like keeping particulates like sand from la bouche

I still remember waaay back in the beginning when we were all figgering oot aboot masks...like what to use....i remember when my sweetie and i went to volunteer for FISH, they handed out folded bandanas with elastic bands for ear loops lol

those were so awkward
 
And since this was mentioned in the article, everything that goes into excess death estimation

ourworldindata.org

Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)

Excess mortality is a term used in epidemiology and public health that refers to the number of deaths from all causes during a crisis above and beyond what we would have expected to see under ‘normal’ conditions.1 In this case, we’re interested in how the number of deaths during the COVID-19...
ourworldindata.org ourworldindata.org

This site is a GoldMine of info :3
 
Germany, who is now no longer having any Covid rules as of today, is reflecting on what could have been better and one issue was that they underestimated the protection by masks and should have made the N95s mandatory much earlier ( they were mandatory in public at some point). They also offered some tree N95s in Pharmacies for everybody. They also found that they did not have enough masks at the beginning.
 
With all things flying and flu ... does China crack due to excessive numbers?

It is like BS in their shop or place of business if you can take the meaning of eastern night soils (and waters), disorients the occidental ranges ... disturbing many pious sets of word! Religious A?

Religion seems to start with BS about things that cannot happen in a quantum infinite field. Given that much time define the constrains in items eternal ... they are yet out there regardless of exponential expansion of what we believe we know but don't! The harder the axis the faster the spin on the outer fringe ... 10 I see dancing? The debate will end in a shooting ... because of armed extensions ...

SON; don't take it to town ... minors should fade away in the desert ... shifting whispering san*s ...
 
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