Bible Study Thread: Luke

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paradox3 said:
Correct. I do not think Jews are sinners.

Nor do I think they are unbelievers. I think they believe differently than I do and that is fine. I think that God had a covenant with Israel that has not been broken by God. I am very aware this is not what you believe. I am okay with that.
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i agree with you that God has not broken any covenant. But Jews cannot keep their side of the bargain. None of us can. That is why God offered a second, better, achievable covenant to the Jews, and I just get to ride along.
 
paradox3 said:
Correct. I do not think Jews are sinners.

Nor do I think they are
paradox3 said:
Correct. I do not think Jews are sinners.

Nor do I think they are unbelievers. I think they believe differently than I do and that is fine. I think that God had a covenant with Israel that has not been broken by God. I am very aware this is not what you believe. I am okay with that.
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Um Believers in what let's make this clear

Do they believe that Jesus is the son of God the Messiah who came to save them , save them from wha ? the answer is no they don't believe unless you are a Messianic Jew.
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chansen said:
Why the hell would you do that? Just have fun with it. When Christians say God curses death to the Jews, an appeal to the moderators will never be the final solution.
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I am not here to "have fun" with Christians who believe differently than I do. I appealed to the moderators because I was concerned a particular poster was venturing into the territory of Anti-semitism.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
No Peril when the Bible clearly says that we're all sinners

You know you're a sinner to right

Did you consider that hate speech
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Dude. You're literally jumping on the "death to Jews" bandwagon. And you're wondering why anyone would have a problem with that.

Your beliefs amount to hate. I prefer to think of them as stupid instead of hateful, but they're still hateful.
 
paradox3 said:
I am not here to "have fun" with Christians who believe differently than I do. I appealed to the moderators because I was concerned a particular poster was venturing into the territory of Anti-semitism.
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You know you are a gracious poster I give you that the things have been going well but you had no right to call out on safe when she put biblical truth on this form she was not calling out anyone she was not using hate speech she was simply showing what scripture shows If you don't believe it that's fine it's your right not to believe it but she did nothing wrong personally I think you owe her an apology and I think I'm done with this thread
 
Okay, a semantic problem has arisen. Some use "believer" interchangeably with Christian.

I am prepared to say that followers of other world faiths are "believers" of a different sort. Maybe I need a new word to express this idea?
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
i agree with you that God has not broken any covenant. But Jews cannot keep their side of the bargain. None of us can. That is why God offered a second, better, achievable covenant to the Jews, and I just get to ride along.
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How do you know the Jews were not keeping their side of the bargain?

Please do not trot out the arguments Jesus had with the Pharisees.

More and more, reading through the gospels, I am getting the idea that Jesus was calling for a higher moral standard than the Law of Moses. I am not seeing it as any more achievable although Jesus was calling for repentance along with his ideas for reform. This, I think, is key to His message.

The new covenant, which Christians always talk about, came about later, right? After the death and resurrection of Jesus?
 
You know what? Repentance is not even an idea original to Jesus. The Jews, after all, have Yom Kippur, the day of atonement.

This is one of the points Amy-Jill Levine, who I mentioned upthread, is making in her work. She offers that many Christians believe Jesus had new ideas but they were really just applications of the Hebrew scriptures.

Her basic idea is that Jews and Christians can learn from each other's traditions.

I really want to get hold of one or two of her books. (y)
 
GordW ----your quote -------Indeed. The problem is that some Christians claim that in Christ the old covenant has been set aside or superseded

unsafe says ----OH how wrong you GordW are in stating some Christians claim this -------God Himself claims this ----GordW -----Whenever a new Covenant is brought in the old on is made obsolete -----God does not mix Covenants


-Jesus brought in the New Covenant of Grace -----Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets and He defeated the Curse of the Law -----but it applies only to those who receive Jesus as their Lord and Saviour -----The Blessings in Deuteronomy 28 are in effect today for all believers


The Law was perfect but man was unable to keep them so they were under the Curse all the time -----the Curses in Deuteronomy 28 are still in effect today for all unbelievers ------no matter who they are ------ and NO man can keep the Laws today -----the Laws were given to show the Jews their transgressions ------and that is scriptural ---


unsafe says ----and posting relevant scripture ------Here is the scripture for the Old Covenant being made Obsolete when Jesus died and brought in the New Covenant -

Hebrews 8:13 ------Christian Standard Bible
By saying a new covenant, he has declared that the first is obsolete. And what is obsolete and growing old is about to pass away.

Greek word for obsolete used in this scripture

Strong's Concordance
palaioó: to make or declare old
Usage: I make old, declare obsolete; pass: I grow old, become obsolete.

to declare a thing to be old and so about to be abrogated: Hebrews 8:13


Here is another scripture ---read all for yourselves ----Notice here ---it says Believers -----not unbelievers

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+7%3A4&version=AMP
Romans 7:4 (AMP)
4 Therefore, my fellow believers, you too died to the Law through the [crucified] body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.


unsafe posting -----relevant scripture ----to show the laws are not for Believers ----
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+1&version=GW

1 Timothy 1:9 (GW)
9 For example, a person must realize that those laws are not intended for people who have God’s approval. Laws are intended for lawbreakers and rebels, for ungodly people and sinners, for those who think nothing is holy or sacred, for those who kill their fathers, their mothers, or other people.
 
unsafe said:
GordW ----your quote -------Indeed. The problem is that some Christians claim that in Christ the old covenant has been set aside or superseded

unsafe says ----OH how wrong you GordW are in stating some Christians claim this -------God Himself claims this ----GordW -----Whenever a new Covenant is brought in the old on is made obsolete -----God does not mix Covenants
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Or fabrics.
 
Got any examples of Jesus saying these things @unsafe?

Many of us are aware that some of this understanding emerged in the early history of the church.

If we get back to the book of Luke which we are presently studying, Jesus seems to be upholding the Law and the Prophets.
 
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