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Oh My Fricking God
What the Frick
For Frick's Sake

Frick carefully inserted into the acronyms so no-one gets upset that curses are being thrown around.

We're saying, undef, in no uncertain terms, that we think your ideas are "way out there" crazy. Sorry.

When you're talking about marriage rights, you're talking about civil rights. The same rights that were fought for non-white people in the 60s are being claimed by gay people today. I had a friend who committed suicide in our youth because of what we, as society, did to LGBTQ people. I never want that to happen again. I have another friend, a UCCan minister, who stayed in the closet until she retired.
 
UnDefinitive said:
OMFG wtf ffs ?? Spell it out for me please ... are these more acronyms for sexual orientation ? Am I supposed to know what they mean?
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I'm undecided if you're just trolling for responses or if you actually believe the crap you post. With your history, I'm leaning toward the latter, but I hold out hope for the former.

What you post just isn't believable. It's not a case of one observant sheep recognizing teamwork between a farmer and his dog, it's more like Chicken Little, insisting on something based on no evidence, and even less observation. If you believe what you post, then there is little point discussing things with you or taking you seriously. That would be futile. If you can't see the reasons for the rather rapid acceptance of LGBT people, then you're purposely avoiding these reasons. They have been laid out for you in stark terms, and none involve conspiracies.
 
@RitaTG ... seriously ... how do you know that Caitlin is a woman? How do you know that you are a woman? What is a woman? How can I be sure that I am a woman?
 
UnDefinitive said:
@RitaTG ... seriously ... how do you know that Caitlin is a woman? How do you know that you are a woman? What is a woman? How can I be sure that I am a woman?
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that sounds like a good discussion to have
it would involve philosophy
taking a look into such things as identity
& epistemology -- one of my old threads here that i haven't finished yet tried to deal with that
btw, i think you have the floor now -- RitaTG asked for clarification as to concrete examples of some of these elites -- this is gonna be a bit difficult -- now you'll know if you really know what you're writing aboot (eg i hear that the best way to learn is by having to teach it to someone else) -- you'll have to figure out what exactly you mean & don't mean and try to teach someone who doesn't know what you're writing aboot what you're writing aboot :3 again, and awesome opportunity for you and for others...
 
Pr. Jae said:
Caitlyn claims to be a woman. RitaTG claims to be a woman. Do you have proof different?
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perhaps that wasn't the point of the question? (i miss the old WC where it was an actual exploration...)
perhaps the point was for someone to go through the process of thinking: what does it mean to be a woman, what is involved? what isn't a woman? are all women women? can someone be a woman and not a woman at the same time? can someone be a bit woman? and so forth...
of course, for people that already know the Truth, there is no point in any discussion...
 
Inannawhimsey said:
perhaps that wasn't the point of the question? (i miss the old WC where it was an actual exploration...)
perhaps the point was for someone to go through the process of thinking: what does it mean to be a woman, what is involved? what isn't a woman? are all women women? can someone be a woman and not a woman at the same time? can someone be a bit woman? and so forth...
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Thinking Inanna? Sorry then, I'm not your man. I'm in the feeling and sensing business. I'll leave the thinking to some of you other fine folks.
 
“You can’t pick up a brain and say ‘that’s a girl’s brain’ or ‘that’s a boy’s brain,’ ” Gina Rippon, a neuroscientist at Britain’s Aston University, told The Telegraph last year. The differences between male and female brains are caused by the “drip, drip, drip” of the gendered environment, she said.
 
Inannawhimsey said:
that sounds like a good discussion to have
it would involve philosophy
taking a look into such things as identity
& epistemology -- one of my old threads here that i haven't finished yet tried to deal with that
btw, i think you have the floor now -- RitaTG asked for clarification as to concrete examples of some of these elites -- this is gonna be a bit difficult -- now you'll know if you really know what you're writing aboot (eg i hear that the best way to learn is by having to teach it to someone else) -- you'll have to figure out what exactly you mean & don't mean and try to teach someone who doesn't know what you're writing aboot what you're writing aboot :3 again, and awesome opportunity for you and for others...
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Like dis-associating with spirit off de sole? Leaves work for psychologists ... if there is a thought of psyche and the word exists! Sounds to me like a rush aura-ish test ... quick look ... without depth ... don't think reflect only emotional content ... superficial of super egoe-soff ... and beas something else again ... ephemeral, flighty, fey angels ?
 
Drip, drip, drip ... that'd be hoer moans in the dark deep in bode an mote ... it's all moot, nothing new under the son ... just rearranged via the great mudder Ur muddying de waters or wadis by de pathe ... Jude-awe? Whe wee people are overcome by power and not de lesser form that receives ... that's de dirt on it ...
 
Say something different ... so we unseen people can be a' Muse'd and not ogre 'd, or bored by the same old thing from both extreme-ist ta cisms! Word redaction ... on going as done and doing yetii ... not yet-I!
 
What's "I"? It is archetypical about which all intellect finds revelations' ... the other end of the stick? A'pollo ... beauteous end of the stick that's fecund? Snot, funny ... the stuff Egyptian imagination dug out through dah gnostic ... thus dead brae-in?
 
revjohn said:
...Quite frankly Transgender issues are not visible on our radar. If a member of the congregation is wrestling with their gender identity it is not a public fight and we aren't sniffing around trying to "out" somebody who doesn't want that at the moment. We appear to have more desire to treat people as people rather than objects, be that object a trophy to be displayed or trash to be rejected.
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Thank you for your response revjohn.

As is the case with revjohn's church @RitaTG, "Transgender issues," as revjohn said so well, "are not visible on our radar." Also, as is the case with revjohn and his church, I'm neither aware of anyone in our faith community who is transgendered nor desirous of outing someone who may be.

revjohn said:
What I will say is this, the moment it pops up on our radar, the moment this community takes notice of transgendered individuals in their midst I wouldn't hesitate to contact RitaTG or lift her up to this congregation as a resource that we could use.
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I agree with you revjohn, RitaTG as we all know has unique insights on transgenderism. Currently, I'm not in the same position as you are of course revjohn, as you are the senior leader at your church and I am not at mine. Should transgenderism ever become a serious issue in our church, though, I will recommend dialogue with RitaTG or someone like her from our own community take place.

revjohn said:
Rural ON is not as safe a space for "different" however "different" is defined. Downtown Toronto may not be safe space either. It is generally understood to be safer space and has been for years.
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Okay, I imagine you're quite right about that. Our church is based neither in the countryside nor in downtown Toronto. Rather, we are in suburbia.

revjohn said:
What will not be happening in Waterford, at least while I have some say over the pulpit and what is preached from it, is goode ol'Fashioned sin bashing. There is no art to that at all nor is there generally much love attached. We do not avoid sin here. We refuse to make it central. You can't preach grace if you refuse to acknowledge sin. That said, I don't invest a lot of energy in defining specific sins I devote myself to unpacking the amazing splendour of grace and relishing in the scandal that grace represents.
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Grace is of course key. Having said that, at our church we teach and preach against sin - even against specific sins when it is appropriate to do so. Publicly, we teach and preach to everyone. We would never single out specific people amongst us to target.

revjohn said:
Sitting right next door to the Six Nations and New Credit of the Delaware Reservations our attention this week has been a little more focused on our relationship with those neighbours. Some of whom make their spiritual home with us here in Waterford.
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Good to hear revjohn. Churches should seek to address the needs of their neighbours, and enter into their neighbourhoods to participate in God's mission there.
 
Is Grace a given ... like what's "off our radar" without sears ... the toasting of asses to allow a pain to teach: "Ewe shouldn't eat that!"

Thus non-consummation or withdrawal methods in light of potential oncoming demons that know nothing and can suck de life out of you without a mind to learn ... we only give them a few bum steers to allow them to learn about the true content of alle-gor-ye ... as you are suffering eternal Piscine ... by an unseen soul ... psyche ... thus the whetting of spirit! Spititual water boarding ... or be in planc dead ... as phesh 'n in artificial IT? Tis a complex issue ... life's like that ... is death simple or just an outside vision of complexity in the bonding pairs ... soul-spirit, the ghost of psyche a'man you couldn't conjure up ... reciprocal for dig URLs?
 
Pr. Jae said:
Thank you for your response revjohn.

As is the case with revjohn's church @RitaTG, "Transgender issues," as revjohn said so well, "are not visible on our radar." Also, as is the case with revjohn and his church, I'm neither aware of anyone in our faith community who is transgendered nor desirous of outing someone who may be.



I agree with you revjohn, RitaTG as we all know has unique insights on transgenderism. Currently, I'm not in the same position as you are of course revjohn, as you are the senior leader at your church and I am not at mine. Should transgenderism ever become a serious issue in our church, though, I will recommend dialogue with RitaTG or someone like her from our own community take place.



Okay, I imagine you're quite right about that. Our church is based neither in the countryside nor in downtown Toronto. Rather, we are in suburbia.



Grace is of course key. Having said that, at our church we teach and preach against sin - even against specific sins when it is appropriate to do so. Publicly, we teach and preach to everyone. We would never single out specific people amongst us to target.



Good to hear revjohn. Churches should seek to address the needs of their neighbours, and enter into their neighbourhoods to participate in God's mission there.
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Fair enough Jae ... fair enough....
I will remain open and available should your church ever feel that I may be helpful
 
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