Ontario's Radical Sex Ed Curriculum

[RitaTG]

Ok .... yes ... Levin plead guilty .... so how does this affect the curriculum?

 

[Waterfall]

Typically there is no one single author for any curriculum. Single authors might contribute to one lesson out of hundreds. Teachers from around the province might be temporarily seconded for a program simply because they are experienced in the area and have been recognized by their peers as being exceptional in certain fields. Without a doubt the new health curriculum was written by a team of individuals most of which have a background as educators themselves.

Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Training Colleges and Information is down right now so I can't see if the contributors for the curriculum are named anywhere.

My wife teaches in the Faculty of Education at Brock she might have a curriculum of some kind kicking around in her office though I doubt she will have the new health curriculum.

My wife did write the first AQ course in Autism offered in Ontario. It was offered by Redeemer University. Writing curriculum for a university is different. The Province stipulates what the curriculum must cover and leaves it up to each university to develop its own curriculum. That curriculum must be submitted to the Province for approval (which she got).

Curriculum at the elementary and secondary levels is written by teams. Again those teams are made up of certified teachers who have been recognized for their skills in pedagogy (rather than pedophilia or pornography) or the subject matter.

Would Ben Levin have to approve it? Could he add to it?

 

[Waterfall]

Ok .... yes ... Levin plead guilty .... so how does this affect the curriculum?

What I think it has done has probably tainted enough people that it would be wise to start over with developing a renewed curriculum, which they probably should have done anyway since this is an old one from 2010. I think it has been demonstrated that the association with Levin has caused enough concern with parents, and for all the time it's taken to downplay it, a new curriculum could be underway without this man's involvement.

 

[RitaTG]

Can you point to anything in the curriculum that suggests that Levin has added or modified it in some way?
How does his approval take away from the curriculum?
Sorry .... I am not getting your point.
Yes .... he is personally reprehensible ..... that in no way should be used as the paint for something that so many have worked so hard and professionally on and is endorsed so highly from so many professional associations.
I really have a hard time with sloppy unjust painting.....

 

[RitaTG]

What I think it has done has probably tainted enough people ........

Right there ...... problem...... don't you see it?
And what is your evidence and justification for this???????
Please .... please do not do this to people we have no reason to distrust.

 

[Jaebius]

Can you point to anything in the curriculum that suggests that Levin has added or modified it in some way?
How does his approval take away from the curriculum?
Sorry .... I am not getting your point.
Yes .... he is personally reprehensible ..... that in no way should be used as the paint for something that so many have worked so hard and professionally on and is endorsed so highly from so many professional associations.
I really have a hard time with sloppy unjust painting.....

There's nothing obvious in the curriculum that is pro child pornography.

 

[RitaTG]

There's nothing obvious in the curriculum that is pro child pornography.

Thank you .... there you go ......
Perhaps it is wiser to focus on the content, presentation, and why the curriculum is needed.
The curriculum has been carefully and thoroughly reviewed by a multitude of professionals and experts and has passed muster with flying colours. I would rather put my faith in that than give credence to shadowy fears.

 

[Waterfall]

Right there ...... problem...... don't you see it?
And what is your evidence and justification for this???????
Please .... please do not do this to people we have no reason to distrust.

There are enough people complaining about parts of the curriculim no matter who wrote it. Some disagree with you. Is that okay? I personally find some of it age innappropriate as do others.....

 

[Jaebius]

Thank you .... there you go ......
Perhaps it is wiser to focus on the content, presentation, and why the curriculum is needed.
The curriculum has been carefully and thoroughly reviewed by a multitude of professionals and experts and has passed muster with flying colours. I would rather put my faith in that than give credence to shadowy fears.

Why is the curriculum needed now when it wasn't needed for generations of school kids? For what latent reasons is the Ontario government introducing this curriculum at this time?

 

[revjohn]

I'm not defending Ben Levin or his actions. If that is what others wish to interpret my comments as representing that is not my concern.

I am challenging the accusations that Levin participated in writing the sex-ed curriculum and deliberately fashioned it as a grooming tool. That allegation is a deliberate act of slander against the actual writers of the curriculum.

The Premier and Education Minister Liz Sandals both emphatically state that Levin did not contribute to the sex-ed curriculum.

We are aware that the Premier is a lesbian and has friends which, according to Pr. Jae is something we should be concerned about. I am not aware that Liz Sandals is a lesbian or has friends so maybe in her instance we need to fear something else.

I don't know whether or not you fear our friendly lesbian Premier or Education Minister Sandals to the same extent Pr. Jae does.

If the issue really is, "was Ben Levin involved in this new curriculum?" then that question has been answered and the answer is no.

Prove that the answer is a lie and continue to rail against it or, accept that it is the truth and bring forward honest and legitimate concerns.

 

[RitaTG]

There are enough people complaining about parts of the curriculim no matter who wrote it. Some disagree with you. Is that okay? I personally find some of it age innappropriate as do others.....

Now that is an entirely different and valid conversation Waterfall ....
Yes ... if you like let's explore that

 

[Waterfall]

Jae I think it does need an overhaul but It seems to need more attention.

 

[RitaTG]

Why is the curriculum needed now when it wasn't needed for generations of school kids? For what latent reasons is the Ontario government introducing this curriculum at this time?

Good grief ... oh my .... good grief Charlie Brown.....

 

[Waterfall]

I'm not defending Ben Levin or his actions. If that is what others wish to interpret my comments as representing that is not my concern.

I am challenging the accusations that Levin participated in writing the sex-ed curriculum and deliberately fashioned it as a grooming tool. That allegation is a deliberate act of slander against the actual writers of the curriculum.

The Premier and Education Minister Liz Sandals both emphatically state that Levin did not contribute to the sex-ed curriculum.

We are aware that the Premier is a lesbian and has friends which, according to Pr. Jae is something we should be concerned about. I am not aware that Liz Sandals is a lesbian or has friends so maybe in her instance we need to fear something else.

I don't know whether or not you fear our friendly lesbian Premier or Education Minister Sandals to the same extent Pr. Jae does.

If the issue really is, "was Ben Levin involved in this new curriculum?" then that question has been answered and the answer is no.

Prove that the answer is a lie and continue to rail against it or, accept that it is the truth and bring forward honest and legitimate concerns.

I have and I could care less what orientation the premier is. It cannot be denied that Levin has tainted this sex education issue. Its unfortunate but it has. So be upfront on who wrote what and bring forward someone that will handle the damage control.

 

[revjohn]

Would Ben Levin have to approve it? Could he add to it?

Not without it being approved by the Minister responsible. Ultimately it is the Minister who would be asked to fall on their sword if this was the pedophile/homosexual grooming document opponents are making it out to be. So nothing went into this document without the Education Minister having seen it first.

If Levin contributed anything, even correcting a spelling mistake or fixing a punctuation problem it would not make the document a threat to children.

 

[Waterfall]

Not without it being approved by the Minister responsible. Ultimately it is the Minister who would be asked to fall on their sword if this was the pedophile/homosexual grooming document opponents are making it out to be. So nothing went into this document without the Education Minister having seen it first.

If Levin contributed anything, even correcting a spelling mistake or fixing a punctuation problem it would not make the document a threat to children.

Underexagerating doesnt repair overexagerating. IMO.

 

[revjohn]

Why is the curriculum needed now when it wasn't needed for generations of school kids? For what latent reasons is the Ontario government introducing this curriculum at this time?

Yes why would we update a curriculum 20 years out of date at this point in time (as opposed to say 5 years ago when the Premier wasn't a lesbian with friends).

I mean why not let it get further and further out of date like the governments before it?

 

[Jaebius]

I'm not defending Ben Levin or his actions. If that is what others wish to interpret my comments as representing that is not my concern.

I don't read that anyone here took your comments to be a defense of Ben's actions John.

I'm challenging the accusations that Levin participated in writing the sex-ed curriculum and deliberately fashioned it as a grooming tool. That allegation is a deliberate act of slander against the actual writers of the curriculum.

I agree. I haven't seen such an allegation made here however.

The Premier and Education Minister Liz Sandals both emphatically state that Levin did not contribute to the sex-ed curriculum.

We are aware that the Premier is a lesbian and has friends which, according to Pr. Jae is something we should be concerned about. I am not aware that Liz Sandals is a lesbian or has friends so maybe in her instance we need to fear something else.

I don't know whether or not you fear our friendly lesbian Premier or Education Minister Sandals to the same extent Pr. Jae does.

I do not fear them.

If the issue really is, "was Ben Levin involved in this new curriculum?" then that question has been answered and the answer is no.

Prove that the answer is a lie and continue to rail against it or, accept that it is the truth and bring forward honest and legitimate concerns.

 

[revjohn]

Underexagerating doesnt repair overexagerating. IMO.

I agree. The public statement is that Levin did not write, modify or advise on the development of this curriculum.

Is that a lie? If it is prove it.

Is it the truth? Then find another avenue of criticism.

 

[Waterfall]

I agree. The public statement is that Levin did not write, modify or advise on the development of this curriculum.

Is that a lie? If it is prove it.

Is it the truth? Then find another avenue of criticism.

Really? I find some who would say there are some areas that are too advanced for young children. There are many public statements other than the ONE you refer to. Theres a whole crowd that would be considered conservative that are seen as ridiculous instead of taken seriously..