JayneWonders
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Nope, she is not old order mennonite or such, and would not refuse a ventilator.
Covid 19 Vaccine
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Northwind
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I have a nurse friend who is against the restrictions. I have to be extra careful on how I respond to her because I believe she ought to know better given her profession. I'm amazed that some of the stuff that persists after a year. I'm good with questioning and believe we should be questioning. Some of the misinformation though is dangerous.
Should one familiarize themselves with dangerous misinformation ... set out perhaps to benefit someone other than the demos?
Thus the investigations into the ins and outs of the danger as innate and extant! Most are purely disinterested if they have more than enough. Mary Trump wrote a book on too much and when it is not enough ... a blind condition?
Others just do as they are told to conform to god knows what! The underlying persona may be cognizant ... that too being a profound awareness in a populace that would rather know nothing ...
Thus the trend to fully emotional blasting! You've seen temper blow ...
Astrazenecas trials were mostly done on those under 55 which is why the vaccine was given to that age group once approved and the blood clots occurred in those age groups. The trials to include older adults were not done and were later done rather quickly when this "hole" in the data was noticed....is my understanding.....so will we see blood clots occur in an older (60+) group now that they are the only ones recommended to get it?.....based on possibly inadequate data from trials that were rushed?
www.nature.com
What scientists do and don’t know about the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID vaccine
Results confirming the vaccine’s strong protection against COVID-19 were welcomed following last week’s pause in roll-outs — but fresh questions have now emerged about the data.
www.nature.com
Mendalla
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Ontario just announced that the pharmacy distribution of AZ is going province-wide, as soon as Saturday in some areas. There's two pharmacies in London. Age 55+ are eligible.
globalnews.ca
Ontario expands AstraZeneca vaccine program to pharmacies across the province | Globalnews.ca
The province released a list of nearly 380 new pharmacies that will be offering AstraZeneca vaccines to those 55 and up starting April 3.
globalnews.ca
Carolla
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@Northwind - glad to hear your letter arrived; I'm sure you'll get something worked out that will suit you. Fingers crossed. Must be so challenging to get all the bits & pieces into alignment.
ChemGal
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It was being given to those under 65. Ie. Here the first people to get it were those who turn 64 in 2021. So if the 55+ crowd were just as likely to experience blood clots as those under 30, 55 to 65 year olds should have been better represented in that data.Astrazenecas trials were mostly done on those under 55 which is why the vaccine was given to that age group once approved and the blood clots occurred in those age groups. The trials to include older adults were not done and were later done rather quickly when this "hole" in the data was noticed....is my understanding.....so will we see blood clots occur in an older (60+) group now that they are the only ones recommended to get it?.....based on possibly inadequate data from trials that were rushed?
What scientists do and don’t know about the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID vaccine
Results confirming the vaccine’s strong protection against COVID-19 were welcomed following last week’s pause in roll-outs — but fresh questions have now emerged about the data.
Difficult to know for certain with something rare though, data gets skewed by 'noise' more readily, there's likely a better technical term that describes that not sure what it is.
Northwind
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I've talked to the pharmacy today and got their perspective. I called the clinic and left a message. I called Victoria and actually talked to the oncologist's assistant. She was going to contact him. I expect to hear from him first.
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I don't agree. Severe reactions are lfar less likely to the vaccine but when they do happen they can be just as devastating. Not sure how you see them as less severe.
Lastpointe
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Your two examples are part of the tricky space we will find ourselves in Pinga. People who are anti Vaxers are generally relying on the immunity of others to protect themselves. And honestly that pisses me off. But I also am uncomfortable with mandatory things. Sort of. I happily get the required shots to visit other countries. So one thing I have said to people is
if you won a fabulous cruise down the Amazon would you go? Generally of course I would go
ah but to travel to Brazil you must be vaccinated for yellow fever and hepatitis. Will you still take that free trip?
if all countries require Covid vaccination to enter via land or sea or air will you vaccinate? If not you will never leave Canada again. Are you good with that?
people who won’t wear masks piss me off too. (Maybe I am feeling pissed off today by our new lockdown rules). I was thrilled to see the BC human rights courts have ruled that you can be mandated to wear a mask and if you claim exemption you must prove that Medical exemption. Apparently they have received lots of complaints about stores requiring masks and invringing on their rights. So good decision in my mind
hospitals often require staff to take flu shots and such. It is always controversial. Our obstetrics floor required everyone to take a hepatitis vaccine when it came out about twenty years ago. I believe everyone complied
but I did have a good nurse who I used as a part time fill in nurse. She was a good nurse. But we didn’t know she was a antivaxer ( imagine working in NICU and not believing in the benefits of vaccines). After I caught her telling parents not to vaccinate, I pulled her into my office and told her that her views were not compatible with our unit and we would not be using her again
if you won a fabulous cruise down the Amazon would you go? Generally of course I would go
ah but to travel to Brazil you must be vaccinated for yellow fever and hepatitis. Will you still take that free trip?
if all countries require Covid vaccination to enter via land or sea or air will you vaccinate? If not you will never leave Canada again. Are you good with that?
people who won’t wear masks piss me off too. (Maybe I am feeling pissed off today by our new lockdown rules). I was thrilled to see the BC human rights courts have ruled that you can be mandated to wear a mask and if you claim exemption you must prove that Medical exemption. Apparently they have received lots of complaints about stores requiring masks and invringing on their rights. So good decision in my mind
hospitals often require staff to take flu shots and such. It is always controversial. Our obstetrics floor required everyone to take a hepatitis vaccine when it came out about twenty years ago. I believe everyone complied
but I did have a good nurse who I used as a part time fill in nurse. She was a good nurse. But we didn’t know she was a antivaxer ( imagine working in NICU and not believing in the benefits of vaccines). After I caught her telling parents not to vaccinate, I pulled her into my office and told her that her views were not compatible with our unit and we would not be using her again
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Been to Brazil (Rio) and did not have to get the yellow fever shot. That probably only applies to the Amazon Basin or something. I have had Hep A & B shots done long ago since they are endemic in China and I go there frequently (or used to). It's not required, just wise.
Mrs.Anteater
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Are those hypothetical or real cases? I can’t imagine real ones, because someone who doesn’t wear a mask as staff in a hospital would not be staying there long. Or are masks not mandatory in hospitals where you live? We have been wearing surgical masks at work for a long time now ( I am guessing its a year now). When the second wave started and we had a local hot spot, we were also wearing visors, despite not even having active cases in the hospital.
For the second one- so far, vaccinations are not mandatory. So, theoretically, someone could work at a vaccination clinic and not being vaccinated. However, considering that that person could be infected without symptoms, I think that he/ she should have regular tests done.
Germany has started to offer every person two free covid quick tests per week. Schools are doing tests twice a week, which resulted in the discovery that the highest incidence of covid cases was in 6-9 year olds who didn’t have any symptoms.
In my mother’s nursing home, they are testing every employee at least twice a week. So, while one can’t force people to be vaccinated, testing can be a mandatory requirement for the job.
Lastpointe
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Interesting. our plane landed in Manaus and forefingers had to have the yellow fever card in their passport. Inspected and stamped
that is the Amazon access point but had thought it was all Brazil. I had to get half a dozen shots, and carry proof. About five years ago
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They tried to mandate flu shots in a couple health facilities where I worked. They were not able to mandate them and focused on education more. I think most people did get their flu shot. I'm not sure what happened to people who refused and were working in higher risk areas.
They initially made masks mandatory and we could wear our own masks. That was changed in November. We are now required to wear the disposable blue and white hospital masks. I have a box of them because I really don't want to stand in the entrance and change masks.
Mendalla
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Wonder if @GiancarloZ knows? He is from Brazil.
Mrs.Anteater
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Yes, but that’s for patients/ visitors. I am wondering when/ if staff had to wear masks. I mean, any staff that would refuse to wear masks when its mandatary would not survive the probation period.
Carolla
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Yes - hospital staff have a legal requirement to wear PPE. But the legal imperative for what you put ON your body differs from what you put IN your body - ie vaccinations. It was an issue every year with flu shots - very strongly encouraged, but can't be fired if you don't have one. There were measures however that could be taken - as far as restricting areas of work, not paying for sick time if contracting flu etc. if I remember correctly.
JayneWonders
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aaah, i will check, i know she has refused vaccines. She may be willing to wear the mask in the hospital. I know she states "i won't wear a mask" when going to a store, such as a grocery store....and gets away with it.
Will get back re the hospital item.
Will get back re the hospital item.
KayTheCurler
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My daughter who flies to Barbados tomorrow had to have proof of vaccination for (I think) mumps, measles, whooping cough. That, of course was in addition to a clear Covid test and vaccination. Apparently she has quite a sheaf of papers along with her passport and ticket. This mum would have preferred it had she turned down the job - but mums don't make the decisions for adult kids.
I hear you....but take comfort..... youve raised a very independent daughter.