blackbelt1961
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Bible Study Thread: Luke
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blackbelt1961
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indeed, which is always been my point to understand God/Jesus
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Todays Scripture -----
Luke 9:28-36 GW
Moses and Elijah Appear with JesusA)'>
28 About eight days after he had said this, Jesus took Peter, John, and James with him and went up a mountain to pray. 29 While Jesus was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became dazzling white. 30 Suddenly, both Moses and Elijah were talking with him. 31 They appeared in heavenly glory and were discussing Jesus’ approaching death and what he was about to fulfill in Jerusalem.
32 Peter and the men with him were sleeping soundly. When they woke up, they saw Jesus’ glory and the two men standing with him. 33 As Moses and Elijah were leaving him, Peter said to Jesus, “Teacher, it’s good that we’re here. Let’s put up three tents—one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” Peter didn’t know what he was saying.
34 While he was saying this, a cloud overshadowed them. They were frightened as they went into the cloud. 35 A voice came out of the cloud and said, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen. Listen to him!”
36 After the voice had spoken, they saw that Jesus was alone. The disciples said nothing, and for some time they told no one about what they had seen.
unsafe says ---So we see the Glory of Christ is greatly displayed here while Jesus was Praying ------29 While Jesus was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became dazzling white.
unsafe says ---It should be noted here that when The Son of God became flesh His Glory was veiled so that people could look upon Him without being in awe of what they were seeing -----He was ordinary in His Looks ----
unsafe Posting from Isaiah -----
Isaiah 53 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
53 Who has believed our message?
To whom has the Lord’s power been revealed?
2 He grew up in his presence like a young tree,
like a root out of dry ground.
He had no form or majesty that would make us look at him.
He had nothing in his appearance that would make us desire him.
unsafe says ----So in this moment His veiled Humanity was lifted to expose His Divine Splendor and Glory ----
Moses and Elijah appears and this represented --the Law and the Prophets were being Fulfilled ---
unsafe says ---This is an interesting thing here that was revealed to me as I am reading through this Passage ----
Moses lead the Israelites to the Promised Blessings of God by passing through the Red Sea ----Jesus would now lead the People who believed in Him to pass through the waters of Death -----All Glory for this revelation to me goes to the Holy Spirit -----
unsafe says Be Aware -----I am Not That Smart to have had the knowledge to write the above statement on my own -----
unsafe says ----
The Transfiguration of Jesus was for the benefit of the Disciples that He took with Him --it was a forerunner for His Death and it was to show what the Glorified Body would be like -----by seeing this I am sure it would have been consoling For the Disciples ----it also shows the Glory in which He will come and Judge the World --------
Verse 35 -----35 A voice came out of the cloud and said, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen. Listen to him!”
unsafe says -----This statement from God was for the Disciples to strengthen them ----to help them in their future endeavor of squashing all doubts which would be coming at them from worldly souls trying to impair their missionary work and Preaching the Good News --
This is so important for Believers of Today as well ------there are many worldly Souls who will try and put Doubt in the Believers Mind about what their Beliefs are ----Some can get down right nasty when God's Word--Truth-- is spoken -----Believers have to remain steadfast in their Beliefs and not allow worldly Souls to sway them from the Word -----No Matter What They Come At Believers With -----True Christ-ians are to remain Faithful to God and His Word ------This takes Stamina ---Courage ---Strength ----and Thick Skin ------and Believers Relying On God's Grace for that Strength and Courage -------
Luke 9:28-36 GW
Moses and Elijah Appear with JesusA)'>
28 About eight days after he had said this, Jesus took Peter, John, and James with him and went up a mountain to pray. 29 While Jesus was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became dazzling white. 30 Suddenly, both Moses and Elijah were talking with him. 31 They appeared in heavenly glory and were discussing Jesus’ approaching death and what he was about to fulfill in Jerusalem.
32 Peter and the men with him were sleeping soundly. When they woke up, they saw Jesus’ glory and the two men standing with him. 33 As Moses and Elijah were leaving him, Peter said to Jesus, “Teacher, it’s good that we’re here. Let’s put up three tents—one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” Peter didn’t know what he was saying.
34 While he was saying this, a cloud overshadowed them. They were frightened as they went into the cloud. 35 A voice came out of the cloud and said, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen. Listen to him!”
36 After the voice had spoken, they saw that Jesus was alone. The disciples said nothing, and for some time they told no one about what they had seen.
unsafe says ---So we see the Glory of Christ is greatly displayed here while Jesus was Praying ------29 While Jesus was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became dazzling white.
unsafe says ---It should be noted here that when The Son of God became flesh His Glory was veiled so that people could look upon Him without being in awe of what they were seeing -----He was ordinary in His Looks ----
unsafe Posting from Isaiah -----
Isaiah 53 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
53 Who has believed our message?
To whom has the Lord’s power been revealed?
2 He grew up in his presence like a young tree,
like a root out of dry ground.
He had no form or majesty that would make us look at him.
He had nothing in his appearance that would make us desire him.
unsafe says ----So in this moment His veiled Humanity was lifted to expose His Divine Splendor and Glory ----
Moses and Elijah appears and this represented --the Law and the Prophets were being Fulfilled ---
unsafe says ---This is an interesting thing here that was revealed to me as I am reading through this Passage ----
Moses lead the Israelites to the Promised Blessings of God by passing through the Red Sea ----Jesus would now lead the People who believed in Him to pass through the waters of Death -----All Glory for this revelation to me goes to the Holy Spirit -----
unsafe says Be Aware -----I am Not That Smart to have had the knowledge to write the above statement on my own -----
unsafe says ----
The Transfiguration of Jesus was for the benefit of the Disciples that He took with Him --it was a forerunner for His Death and it was to show what the Glorified Body would be like -----by seeing this I am sure it would have been consoling For the Disciples ----it also shows the Glory in which He will come and Judge the World --------
Verse 35 -----35 A voice came out of the cloud and said, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen. Listen to him!”
unsafe says -----This statement from God was for the Disciples to strengthen them ----to help them in their future endeavor of squashing all doubts which would be coming at them from worldly souls trying to impair their missionary work and Preaching the Good News --
This is so important for Believers of Today as well ------there are many worldly Souls who will try and put Doubt in the Believers Mind about what their Beliefs are ----Some can get down right nasty when God's Word--Truth-- is spoken -----Believers have to remain steadfast in their Beliefs and not allow worldly Souls to sway them from the Word -----No Matter What They Come At Believers With -----True Christ-ians are to remain Faithful to God and His Word ------This takes Stamina ---Courage ---Strength ----and Thick Skin ------and Believers Relying On God's Grace for that Strength and Courage -------
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Summary: Luke 9: 37 - 45
When Jesus and the three come down from the mountain, they are met by a large crowd of people. A man shouts out to Jesus that his son is seized by a spirit which causes him to shriek and convulse. The disciples have been unable to cast out the unclean spirit.
Jesus responds, " You faithless and perverse generation, how much longer must I be with you here and bear with you? Bring your son to me."
The demon dashes the boy to the ground in convulsions. Jesus rebukes the demon, heals the boy and gives him back to his father. All are astounded at the greatness of God.
Jesus foretells his death, "The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into human hands."
The disciples do not understand and are afraid to ask Jesus about what He said.
When Jesus and the three come down from the mountain, they are met by a large crowd of people. A man shouts out to Jesus that his son is seized by a spirit which causes him to shriek and convulse. The disciples have been unable to cast out the unclean spirit.
Jesus responds, " You faithless and perverse generation, how much longer must I be with you here and bear with you? Bring your son to me."
The demon dashes the boy to the ground in convulsions. Jesus rebukes the demon, heals the boy and gives him back to his father. All are astounded at the greatness of God.
Jesus foretells his death, "The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into human hands."
The disciples do not understand and are afraid to ask Jesus about what He said.
paradox3
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Reflection: Luke 9: 37 - 45
It seems that Jesus might be having a tough time returning to normal life after his mountain top experience. He is sounding a little testy here . . . maybe he is growing weary of the crowds pressing in on him.
Who is He calling "faithless and perverse"? The entire generation? The father of the boy with the demon? His disciples who have not been able to provide healing?
Jesus knows that his betrayal and death lie ahead. The disciples are fearful but not wanting to question Jesus when He speaks of these things.
It seems that Jesus might be having a tough time returning to normal life after his mountain top experience. He is sounding a little testy here . . . maybe he is growing weary of the crowds pressing in on him.
Who is He calling "faithless and perverse"? The entire generation? The father of the boy with the demon? His disciples who have not been able to provide healing?
Jesus knows that his betrayal and death lie ahead. The disciples are fearful but not wanting to question Jesus when He speaks of these things.
BetteTheRed
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Or that's what the narrative tells us. The problem, as I see it, with this, is that if Jesus can accurately predict the future, he also knows that he will be raised. Which is somehow less dreadful, if you see yourself coming out the other side of this, yes?
Redbaron
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It is a spoiler, for sure. But let us recall that the gospels were written after the fact, when the future Jesus 'predicted' was already past. That may also be a factor in the writing of the narrative.
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In literary terms, it's foreshadowing. Spoilers are a bit different.
blackbelt1961
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Jesus has never been separated from the Father, Jesus co-existed, co-eternally, and though Jesus had Hope as we do , Jesus did not know the pain the anguish, dreadful death from Life, clearly the pain in his being cried out as such on the Cross
blackbelt1961
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what most don't understand is , the Spirit of Jesus is forever Present, there is no past, present or Future with the Eternal, the eternal just "IS" in every state, Timeless, all at the same time, and though as human beings we can't fathom it, the Spirit in the Gospel writings attests to this as the writers are inspired.
blackbelt1961
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Christ is calling everyone faithless and perverse because that is what we are, sin makes us a perverse reflection a distortion of True Life which is only found in God the Creator
unsafe
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Todays Scripture -----
Luke 9:37-45 GW
Jesus Cures a Demon-Possessed Boy
37 The next day, when they had come down from the mountain, a large crowd met Jesus. 38 A man in the crowd shouted, “Teacher, I beg you to look at my son. He’s my only child. 39 Whenever a spirit takes control of him, he shrieks, goes into convulsions, and foams at the mouth. After a struggle, the spirit goes away, leaving the child worn out. 40 I begged your disciples to force the spirit out of him, but they couldn’t do it.”
41 Jesus answered, “You unbelieving and corrupt generation! How long must I be with you and put up with you? Bring your son here!”
42 While he was coming to Jesus, the demon knocked the boy to the ground and threw him into convulsions.
Jesus ordered the evil spirit to leave. He cured the boy and gave him back to his father. 43 Everyone was amazed to see
God’s wonderful power.
The Son of Man Again Foretells His Betrayal
Everyone was amazed at all the things that Jesus was doing. So he said to his disciples, 44 “Listen carefully to what I say. The Son of Man will be betrayed and handed over to people.”
45 They didn’t know what he meant. The meaning was hidden from them so that they didn’t understand it. Besides, they were afraid to ask him about what he had said.
unsafe says -----We see Jesus comes down from the Mountain and is met with a crowd and a Man begs to Look at His Son who is Demon possessed ----the man tells Jesus the Disciples could not heal him ---
So we see the man is very concerned for his son and wants him healed and when the Disciples couldn't bring the healing he begs Jesus to heal him -----this shows that the Father believed that his son could be healed by the Disciples more than the Disciples believed they had the power from Jesus to heal his son ------and when the Disciples failed he didn't give up ----He went to the healing Source -Jesus--- and by begging was hoping to move compassion in Jesus to rescue his son
This shows very clearly that even thought we are with God we can still be in unbelief and not trust what God has given us the power to do ------our focus when on other things and not Jesus our Faith wavers and it takes our confidence away ------and this happens a lot to True Believers today ---
So Jesus says -----
41 Jesus answered, “You unbelieving and corrupt generation! How long must I be with you and put up with you? Bring your son here!”
unsafe says ----So Jesus condemns all of Israel here by saying----- “You unbelieving and corrupt generation---How long must I be with you and put up with you?
The Disciples with Jesus on the Mountain who witnessed the transfiguration and heard the voice of God should have had stable Faith and been confident in being able to cast out the Spirit that was ravaging the man's son but they failed in that endeavor -----
This shows us Today --- that unless True Believers are grounded and rooted in God and His Word we can fail in our Faith and block the Promises that we have been given heirs to by receiving Jesus as our Lord and Saviour ------
We also learn here that demons can be very powerful and we are not to take evil spirits lightly ------when one is possessed by a demon it is serious business and very dangerous ----- anyone who does not believe in possession of evil spirits are being duped by Satan -----
7 min video ----on the movie the Rite ------
EXORCIST FATHER GARY THOMAS INTERVIEW
Exorcist Michael Kovak's real life counterpart, Father Gary Thomas, 57, is interviewed in 2011 about the movie "The Rite" and demonic possession. He is a mandated exorcist working in California who, like his counterpart in the movie, was trained in Rome. He cautions people not to invite the devil in through the practice of Wicken or through the use of devices like Ouija boards and fortune tellers.
unsafe says ---So we see in Verses 44and 45 this is the AMPC Version Here I am posting ---Jesus for tells of His Betrayal ------
44 Let these words sink into your ears: the Son of Man is about to be delivered into the hands of men [[a]whose conduct is opposed to God].
unsafe says ----the Greek word for sink herein this Scripture is
Strong's Concordance
tithémi: to place, lay, set-- Usage: I put, place, lay, set, fix, establish.
to receive (A. V. let sink) into the ears, i. e. to fix in the mind, Luke 9:44;
unsafe says then in verse 45 ----It says this ------
45 However, they did not comprehend this saying; and it was kept hidden from them, so that they should not grasp it and understand, and they were afraid to ask Him about the statement.
unsafe says ----So we see Jesus telling them to listen then it was kept hidden from them so they could not grasp or understand it -----So it God doing the hiding here ???????------No ----It is their unbelief in who Jesus was ---The Jews were waiting for their Worldly Messiah who would be their King and help them escape the Roman rule and Jesus was not that person so all by themselves their understanding of what Jesus was saying was cut off -------
And so it is today for all who do not believe in God and His Word ------all by themselves they cut themselves off from understanding the true Spiritual meaning of what the Scripture is saying ----their ears are hearing but their Spiritual understanding is hidden from them ------
unsafe posting ---1Corinthians 2:13
Luke 9:37-45 GW
Jesus Cures a Demon-Possessed Boy
37 The next day, when they had come down from the mountain, a large crowd met Jesus. 38 A man in the crowd shouted, “Teacher, I beg you to look at my son. He’s my only child. 39 Whenever a spirit takes control of him, he shrieks, goes into convulsions, and foams at the mouth. After a struggle, the spirit goes away, leaving the child worn out. 40 I begged your disciples to force the spirit out of him, but they couldn’t do it.”
41 Jesus answered, “You unbelieving and corrupt generation! How long must I be with you and put up with you? Bring your son here!”
42 While he was coming to Jesus, the demon knocked the boy to the ground and threw him into convulsions.
Jesus ordered the evil spirit to leave. He cured the boy and gave him back to his father. 43 Everyone was amazed to see
God’s wonderful power.
The Son of Man Again Foretells His Betrayal
Everyone was amazed at all the things that Jesus was doing. So he said to his disciples, 44 “Listen carefully to what I say. The Son of Man will be betrayed and handed over to people.”
45 They didn’t know what he meant. The meaning was hidden from them so that they didn’t understand it. Besides, they were afraid to ask him about what he had said.
unsafe says -----We see Jesus comes down from the Mountain and is met with a crowd and a Man begs to Look at His Son who is Demon possessed ----the man tells Jesus the Disciples could not heal him ---
So we see the man is very concerned for his son and wants him healed and when the Disciples couldn't bring the healing he begs Jesus to heal him -----this shows that the Father believed that his son could be healed by the Disciples more than the Disciples believed they had the power from Jesus to heal his son ------and when the Disciples failed he didn't give up ----He went to the healing Source -Jesus--- and by begging was hoping to move compassion in Jesus to rescue his son
This shows very clearly that even thought we are with God we can still be in unbelief and not trust what God has given us the power to do ------our focus when on other things and not Jesus our Faith wavers and it takes our confidence away ------and this happens a lot to True Believers today ---
So Jesus says -----
41 Jesus answered, “You unbelieving and corrupt generation! How long must I be with you and put up with you? Bring your son here!”
unsafe says ----So Jesus condemns all of Israel here by saying----- “You unbelieving and corrupt generation---How long must I be with you and put up with you?
The Disciples with Jesus on the Mountain who witnessed the transfiguration and heard the voice of God should have had stable Faith and been confident in being able to cast out the Spirit that was ravaging the man's son but they failed in that endeavor -----
This shows us Today --- that unless True Believers are grounded and rooted in God and His Word we can fail in our Faith and block the Promises that we have been given heirs to by receiving Jesus as our Lord and Saviour ------
We also learn here that demons can be very powerful and we are not to take evil spirits lightly ------when one is possessed by a demon it is serious business and very dangerous ----- anyone who does not believe in possession of evil spirits are being duped by Satan -----
7 min video ----on the movie the Rite ------
EXORCIST FATHER GARY THOMAS INTERVIEW
Exorcist Michael Kovak's real life counterpart, Father Gary Thomas, 57, is interviewed in 2011 about the movie "The Rite" and demonic possession. He is a mandated exorcist working in California who, like his counterpart in the movie, was trained in Rome. He cautions people not to invite the devil in through the practice of Wicken or through the use of devices like Ouija boards and fortune tellers.
Exorcist Father Gary Thomas Interview
Watch Exorcist Father Gary Thomas Interview video.
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unsafe says ---So we see in Verses 44and 45 this is the AMPC Version Here I am posting ---Jesus for tells of His Betrayal ------
44 Let these words sink into your ears: the Son of Man is about to be delivered into the hands of men [[a]whose conduct is opposed to God].
unsafe says ----the Greek word for sink herein this Scripture is
Strong's Concordance
tithémi: to place, lay, set-- Usage: I put, place, lay, set, fix, establish.
to receive (A. V. let sink) into the ears, i. e. to fix in the mind, Luke 9:44;
unsafe says then in verse 45 ----It says this ------
45 However, they did not comprehend this saying; and it was kept hidden from them, so that they should not grasp it and understand, and they were afraid to ask Him about the statement.
unsafe says ----So we see Jesus telling them to listen then it was kept hidden from them so they could not grasp or understand it -----So it God doing the hiding here ???????------No ----It is their unbelief in who Jesus was ---The Jews were waiting for their Worldly Messiah who would be their King and help them escape the Roman rule and Jesus was not that person so all by themselves their understanding of what Jesus was saying was cut off -------
And so it is today for all who do not believe in God and His Word ------all by themselves they cut themselves off from understanding the true Spiritual meaning of what the Scripture is saying ----their ears are hearing but their Spiritual understanding is hidden from them ------
unsafe posting ---1Corinthians 2:13
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Which fits really well with the prologue of John's Gospel. I am not sure The synoptics make that claim about Jesus, or at least not nearly as explicitly. However it is possible to interpret the Nicene Creed language of Begotten (and the Lukan and Matthean Christmas stories) as suggesting something different -- that The Son proceeds from the Father and was not always present. AS often, it gets down to how/if you understand Trinitarian theology.
With these Passion prediction passages I often note that evn as the story is written it reallly appears that the 12 do not "get it" until after they have experienced Easter. What is impossible to prove either way is what Jesus actually said in the predictions. Did he predict Easter as we have it? Did he predict resurrection along the lines of the contemporary expectation of a general resurrection at the endtimes (given the little apocalypse in Mark and the equivalent passages i Matthew and Luke it appears that Jesus, like Paul after him, may well have expected that the endtimes were imminent -- within a generation)? Did he predict the suffering and death alone?
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That seems likely to me, in that, it might have been anticipated that his mission would end the same way as so many Messiah/saviours before him.
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And if that isn't the most perfect primitive description of epilepsy, I don't know what is.
blackbelt1961
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You are correct everything really comes down to the Spirit of God either were orphans, because we were not present 2000 years ago or, the Spirit witnesses to us of the events
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BetteTheRed ---Your Quote ------
unsafe said:
Whenever a spirit takes control of him, he shrieks, goes into convulsions, and foams at the mouth. After a struggle, the spirit goes away, leaving the child worn out.
unsafe did not say this just to clarify ----God said this when He inspired the writer -----your quoting scripture here not me ------
39 Whenever a spirit takes control of him, he shrieks, goes into convulsions, and foams at the mouth. After a struggle, the spirit goes away, leaving the child worn out. 40 I begged your disciples to force the spirit out of him, but they couldn’t do it.”
The Scripture clearly says here ----- Whenever a spirit takes control of him
unsafe says -----So BetteTheRed what are you implying here with your quote -------And if that isn't the most perfect primitive description of epilepsy, I don't know what is.
unsafe said:
Whenever a spirit takes control of him, he shrieks, goes into convulsions, and foams at the mouth. After a struggle, the spirit goes away, leaving the child worn out.
unsafe did not say this just to clarify ----God said this when He inspired the writer -----your quoting scripture here not me ------
39 Whenever a spirit takes control of him, he shrieks, goes into convulsions, and foams at the mouth. After a struggle, the spirit goes away, leaving the child worn out. 40 I begged your disciples to force the spirit out of him, but they couldn’t do it.”
The Scripture clearly says here ----- Whenever a spirit takes control of him
unsafe says -----So BetteTheRed what are you implying here with your quote -------And if that isn't the most perfect primitive description of epilepsy, I don't know what is.
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I'm not 'implying' anything. I'm suggesting that through the lens of modern medicine, this child has epilepsy, not a demon.
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BetteTheRed -----Your Quote -----I'm suggesting that through the lens of modern medicine, this child has epilepsy, not a demon.
unsafe says ----Well I think the Spiritual lens of God's Word definitely says that this Son was demon possessed ---in His ancient time -----
Can't get any plainer than this ----------- 39 Whenever a spirit takes control of him, he shrieks, goes into convulsions, and foams at the mouth. After a struggle, the spirit goes away, leaving the child worn out. 40 I begged your disciples to force the spirit out of him, but they couldn’t do it.”
unsafe says ----Well I think the Spiritual lens of God's Word definitely says that this Son was demon possessed ---in His ancient time -----
Can't get any plainer than this ----------- 39 Whenever a spirit takes control of him, he shrieks, goes into convulsions, and foams at the mouth. After a struggle, the spirit goes away, leaving the child worn out. 40 I begged your disciples to force the spirit out of him, but they couldn’t do it.”
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