Bible Study Thread: Luke

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then the people who have said and believe it is a Myth will have lost their eternal life forever
What a petty tyrant God must be if God is going to judge us by what we believe to be true! And to deprive us of eternal life on this basis.

I do not rule out the idea of a final judgement but I simply cannot accept that it will be concerned with whether or not we believed the right things.
 
And Mendalla -----You can Believe whatever you like--- But ----You and other Unbelievers Just Don't Know For Sure That It Is A Myth ------and that is the real Truth ---:eek:

If you want to start a debate about Pascal's wager, start a new thread in R&F. It's off topic here.
 
Mendalla ----So what your saying is that it is alright for some to post a comment about Born Again People and the resurrections which is Off topic but it isn'T alright for one to answer the off topic statement made by a certain person ---double standard here ----I think --As I said believe what you will but you will eventually know the real Truth some day ----

Now Back to Luke -----
 
paradox3 -----your quote ----I do not rule out the idea of a final judgement but I simply cannot accept that it will be concerned with whether or not we believed the right things.


unsafe says ---Just answering your post Quoting me
------Again I say Believe as you will ----you either believe God's word or you don't -----and by your comment you choose not to -----that is your choice -----you will eventually know the real truth -------Like the rest of us ---:angel:
 
you either believe God's word or you don't

Hmm...do you eat shellfish? Wear fabrics made from mixed fibres? Clearly, NO-ONE 'believes' all of "God's word", and you're no exception. You just believe really hard in the bits you believe, which is nice for you, but I'm not really sure you're any kind of ideal arbiter of which bits we should believe.
 
Summary: Luke 10: 1 - 20

Jesus appoints 70 others to go out in pairs to every town where He intended to go. Jesus says, "The harvest is plentiful but the laborers are few." He tells them he is sending them out as lambs into the midst of wolves. They are to take nothing with them and to accept whatever they are offered to eat and drink. They are not to move about from house to house in a town.

The 70 are instructed to cure the sick and proclaim the kingdom of God.

If a town does not welcome them, they are to wipe the dust off their feet in protest. Yet the kingdom of God has come near and on that day, it will be more tolerable for Sodom than for that town.

Woe to the the cities which are unrepentant! They will be brought down to Hades.

Whoever listens to the 70 listens to Jesus. Whoever rejects them, rejects Jesus and the One who sent him.

The 70 return from their journey with joy because demons have submitted to them. Jesus tells them to rejoice that their names are written in heaven.
 
Reflection: Luke 10: 1 - 20

The 70 are given very similar instructions to the 12 when they were sent out.

They return triumphant that they have been able to make demons submit to them. Yet Jesus seems to think they are missing the point. He explains to them that he has given them authority to tread on snakes and scorpions & over the power of the enemy. Nothing could hurt them but they are not to rejoice at this. Rather they are to rejoice that their names will be written in heaven.

Is this a caution against spiritual arrogance?

The call here is to repentance. The kingdom of God is near, Jesus says.

Today's text gives us Jesus as apocalyptic prophet.

What does Jesus mean when he says rejecting him means rejecting the one who sent him? Is he saying he offers the only possible way to God? Did Jesus himself believe this or is it Luke's faith testimony?

I imagine we will have a variety of views here on WC2 when it comes to this passage from scripture.
 
Sorry ---just answering BetteTheRed who posted my Quote ------

BetteTheRed ----your quote -----Hmm...do you eat shellfish? Wear fabrics made from mixed fibres? Clearly, NO-ONE 'believes' all of "God's word

unsafe says ----BetteTheRed----- first off I am not a Jew ----I was never under the Laws -----So I thank God everyday for God Sending His Son to Die for me to give me a second chance at eternal Life -----Second--- I do believe in the Bible being the Inspired Word of God and I do believe that God doesn't lie and His Word says He can't lie and God says in His Word that what is Written is the Truth and the Holy Spirit will reveal the all mysteries to True Believers ----So I personally believe all that ----and I live by the Word BetteTheRed and I am having a Great life ----

No one who has received Christ today is Under the Laws of Judaism -----the laws are still in place now for Unbelievers not Believers ---Believers are under Grace now according to God's Truth -------and I believe that ------

Now Back to Luke 10
 
What does Jesus mean when he says rejecting him means rejecting the one who sent him? Is he saying he offers the only possible way to God? Did Jesus himself believe this or is it Luke's faith testimony?

I imagine we will have a variety of views here on WC2 when it comes to this passage from scripture.
Possibly it was used as a way to include or recruit gentiles? Believe as I believe Jesus believed, and you will be included in Gods Kingdom, which may have meant Lukes Christian community.
 
Is this a caution against spiritual arrogance?

It is certainly a strong reminder that their power comes from God, not themselves, and that they should always credit God first when celebrating that power. Something that certain of the TV evangelist crowd need to be more mindful of, I find.
 
I do believe in the Bible being the Inspired Word of God and I do believe that God doesn't lie and His Word says He can't lie and God says in His Word that what is Written is the Truth and the Holy Spirit will reveal the all mysteries to True Believer

Still confused. If the Hebrew Bible is Not the word of god, why do you quote it? You use selected pieces of the "Old Testament", but not all. You're still guided by the ten commandments, though? How do you decide which laws to follow and which not to?

and I am having a Great life

...so is Donald Trump, apparently. Not sure what that has to do with with the convo.
 
Just answering BetteTheRed here who has quoted me and have asked this question of me

. You're still guided by the ten commandments, though? How do you decide which laws to follow and which not to?

unsafe says
----No -No and No ---I am not guided by the 10 Commandment ----These were given to the Jews to show their sin ----I have the new laws under Grace that are written on my heart ----they are The Love of Love --The law of the Spirit of life Romans 7:24 -- The Law Liberty --Romans 7:6-----Law of Faith ----God's Faith not Human Faith ----

The Law is not of Faith there BetteTheRed -----Only Grace is by Faith -----

Galatians 3:12 -----
English Standard Version
But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”


Your stuck in the Old Testament ----The Old Testament is a prophecy for the coming of God's Son ----who brought in a New Covenant ----the Old Covenant of The Law is now replaced by the New Covenant of Grace ----the law for true Christ-ians is not in place any longer ---


Just a Note Here BetteTheRed

We are going to get dinged soon here for being off topic ---

Now back to Luke 10 ----
 
Todays Scripture ---

Luke 10:1-20 GW

Jesus Sends Disciples to Do Mission Work
10 After this, the Lord appointed 70[a] other disciples to go ahead of him to every city and place that he intended to go. They were to travel in pairs.

2 He told them, “The harvest is large, but the workers are few. So ask the Lord who gives this harvest to send workers to harvest his crops. 3 Go! I’m sending you out like lambs among wolves. 4 Don’t carry a wallet, a traveling bag, or sandals, and don’t stop to greet anyone on the way. 5 Whenever you go into a house, greet the family right away with the words, ‘May there be peace in this house.’ 6 If a peaceful person lives there, your greeting will be accepted. But if that’s not the case, your greeting will be rejected. 7 Stay with the family that accepts you. Eat and drink whatever they offer you. After all, the worker deserves his pay. Do not move around from one house to another. 8 Whenever you go into a city and the people welcome you, eat whatever they serve you. 9 Heal the sick that are there, and tell the people, ‘God’s kingdom is near you!’

10 “But whenever you go into a city and people don’t welcome you, leave. Announce in its streets, 11 ‘We are wiping your city’s dust from our feet in protest against you! But realize that the kingdom of God is near you!’ 12 I can guarantee that judgment day will be easier for Sodom than for that city.

13 “How horrible it will be for you, Chorazin! How horrible it will be for you, Bethsaida! If the miracles worked in your cities had been worked in Tyre and Sidon, they would have changed the way they thought and acted. Long ago they would have worn sackcloth and sat in ashes. 14 Judgment day will be better for Tyre and Sidon than for you. 15 And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to heaven? No, you will go to hell!

16 “The person who hears you hears me, and the person who rejects you rejects me. The person who rejects me rejects the one who sent me.”

17 The 70 disciples came back very happy. They said, “Lord, even demons obey us when we use the power and authority of your name!”

18 Jesus said to them, “I watched Satan fall from heaven like lightning. 19 I have given you the authority to trample snakes and scorpions and to destroy the enemy’s power. Nothing will hurt you. 20 However, don’t be happy that evil spirits obey you. Be happy that your names are written in heaven.”


unsafe says ----

We see 72 are sent out ----in 2's this is an important note here as they are being sent out into a hostile world and by sending them in 2's they can strengthen and encourage one another -----the Lambs are going out into the wolves territory

The Harvest is Great--- is the preaching of the Good News and saving souls is the harvest ---but the ones hearing the message will be few and some will get angry and hostile toward the ones sent out -----

They were to take nothing with them and this was because what they were sent out to do was of great importance and Jesus didn't want them to be delayed by people wanting long conversations and inquires -----

unsafe says ----If they were rejected at a place they were to proclaim this message in the streets -----verses 10-12

10 “But whenever you go into a city and people don’t welcome you, leave. Announce in its streets, 11 ‘We are wiping your city’s dust from our feet in protest against you! But realize that the kingdom of God is near you!’ 12 I can guarantee that judgment day will be easier for Sodom than for that city.


unsafe says verses 13-15 --Refer to the response to Unbelievers -----14 Judgment day will be better for Tyre and Sidon than for you. 15 And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to heaven? No, you will go to hell!


Verse 16 sends a very severe warning ------16 “The person who hears you hears me, and the person who rejects you rejects me. The person who rejects me rejects the one who sent me.”

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unsafe says ---this is commentary on this verse -----from Matthew Henry ----

Those who despise the faithful ministers of Christ, who think meanly of them, and look scornfully upon them, will be reckoned as despisers of God and Christ.

Benson Commentary -----

And they who despise the faithful ministers of Christ, they who, though they do not hate and persecute them, yet think meanly of them, look on them with scorn, and neglect to attend their ministry, will be reckoned with as despisers of God and of Christ.


unsafe says ----This is for us today as well anyone who reject God's Word who is Jesus is in fact rejecting Jesus and therefore is rejecting God ------


We see in verse 17 that the 72 come back and had great success -----


Verses 18 Jesus said to them, “I watched Satan fall from heaven like lightning.


unsafe says ---Jesus is telling the 72 not to get to prideful and puffed up in their success as all power comes from Jesus not themselves ------and in verse 19 He is telling them that ------

19 I have given you the authority to trample snakes and scorpions and to destroy the enemy’s power. Nothing will hurt you.

unsafe says -----This above verse is so powerful for us today when we know who were are in Christ Jesus and understand that He gives us the authority to trample on all power that comes from the enemy ---no one can hurt us unless we allow them to ------

20 However, don’t be happy that evil spirits obey you. Be happy that your names are written in heaven.”


unsafe says ---we are to be more concerned and Happy that our names are written in the Lambs Book of Life then we are to be casting out demons and the Like ------saving our soul for all eternity should be first and foremost on our minds -----


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Summary: Luke 10: 21 - 37

1. Jesus rejoices in the Holy Spirit and thanks God for hiding things from the wise & intelligent and revealing them to infants.

All things have been handed over to Him by God, Jesus says. No one knows who the Son is except the Father. Or who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

Turning to the disciples, Jesus says to them privately, "Blessed are the eyes that see what you see!" Many prophets and kings desired to see and hear what the disciples see and hear. But they did not see and hear it.

2. And then a lawyer stands up to test Jesus, asking how to inherit eternal life. Jesus asks him what is written in the law. The lawyer responds, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself."

Jesus tells him he has answered correctly. "Do this and you shall live."

The lawyer asks, "Who is my neighbor?"

In response, Jesus tells the story of the good Samaritan.

The neighbor is the one who showed mercy to the man at the side of the road. Jesus says, "Go and do likewise."
 
Reflection: Luke 10: 21 - 37

The text for today begins with the familiar theme of the lowly being blessed. And some rather exclusive claims by Jesus, much like we saw in yesterday's reading . . . "whoever rejects me rejects the One who sent me." (Luke 10:16)

Then comes one of the best known and loved parables of Jesus. The parable appears only in Luke's gospel, although Matthew and Mark have the story of the lawyer's questioning re: eternal life. And the answer from the Hebrew scriptures.

The term "good Samaritan" is in our common vernacular, with many not realizing that "Samaritan" originally meant a resident of Samaria.

Follow the great commandment and show mercy, Jesus says, in order to inherit eternal life. Love God with our whole being and love our neighbors as ourselves.

Lots to ponder today.
 
The term "good Samaritan" is in our common vernacular, with many not realizing that "Samaritan" originally meant a resident of Samaria.

More important, I think, is that many no longer understand the importance of the person being Samaritan. Ministers usually explain it when they preach on the text, but for someone who just hears the term as a cultural touchpoint, I'm not sure they really get the point of Jesus making the rescuer a Samaritan. It would be like a bigoted fundamentalist Christian being rescued by a South Asian Muslim or a transgendered person. And, as a minister in a church I visited several years ago pointed out, that the person accepted the rescue is actually significant, too.
 
It's kind of important to understand how fractured were the relationships between Judah and Samaria. Samaria arose when two of the original tribes split off due to schism over the successor to Solomon. They were engaged in a civil war for some years.
 
And, as a minister in a church I visited several years ago pointed out, that the person accepted the rescue is actually significant, too.
Given that Jesus is likely telling the story to people who have been long-conditioned to see SAmaritans as less=than acceptable this is, imo, a big piece. What would their reaction be? Surprise that such a person could be so generous? Horror at the idea of being touched by and indebted to a Samaritan?
 
Given that Jesus is likely telling the story to people who have been long-conditioned to see SAmaritans as less=than acceptable this is, imo, a big piece. What would their reaction be? Surprise that such a person could be so generous? Horror at the idea of being touched by and indebted to a Samaritan?
It was a Samaritan woman at the well in Samaria that Jesus came to. Mathew says Jesus told the disciples not to evangelize to any of the cities in Samaria but reverses that in Mathew 28:19....but here He is at the well.
And John speaks quite favourably of the Samaritans.
Now we hear a story of a Samaritan helping a stranger in Luke.
What does it all mean?
Was Jesus trying to say listen to the Samaritans beliefs....that they are the right?
 
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