Bible Study Thread: Luke

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unsafe says -----The Righteous are the people who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit today ------that is Jesus is their Lord and Saviour by and through His Saving Grace which comes though dynamic---Saving Faith that the believers have from hearing and believing in His Word -----
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Did you notice the quotation marks around the word Righteous unsafe.
 
It seems to me that often those today who consider themselves righteous and the only true Christians come across as self-righteous.
 
paradox3 said:
Still not certain how Jesus is using the term "righteous" in this story . . .
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Not as a knock.

But you cannot tell who is righteous by what they wear.

Jesus came so that we could give up our unrighteousness and take on his righteousness.

So his followers were made righteous, but the religious leaders only saw who they used to be, not realizing that before God, they themselves were also were unrighteous.
 
paradox3 said:
Who are the "righteous" in today's world? How is this story relevant to us today?
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I think an earlier question is "What does it mean to be righteous?"

As the word is often used it seems to mean "self-righteous", and /or holier than thou. But if one means something like" one who is right before God" then I like the verse from James :be thou doers of the word and not hearers only" and Matthew 25:31ff (the parable of the sheep and the goats) as measures.

As @Redbaron points out one of the places the story is relevant today is that people in all ages and all cultures have a tendency to think of themselves as righteous and spurn those who do not measure up to some (often arbitrary) set of criteria
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
So if I haven’t made it clear, the Pharisees of today are the same as the Pharisees back then. They mock and criticize those who sit at the feet of Jesus. They are who Jesus came for. He already has those at his feet.
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Many have suggested that in some ways Jesus had much in common with the Pharisaic party and that this is part of why there s such antipathy towards them a few decades later when the Gospels are written down. I suspect that there were people who were attracted to both the Pharisees and to Jesus.

What I see in the church today is that those who claim to sit at the feet of Jesus can be just as guilty of legalistic self-righteousness as others.
 
GordW said:
Many have suggested that in some ways Jesus had much in common with the Pharisaic party and that this is part of why there s such antipathy towards them a few decades later when the Gospels are written down. I suspect that there were people who were attracted to both the Pharisees and to Jesus.

What I see in the church today is that those who claim to sit at the feet of Jesus can be just as guilty of legalistic self-righteousness as others.
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Which leads to another lie, Jesus, I like, it’s his followers I hate.

But Jesus said keep in mind if the world hates you, it hated me first.

So you have just succumbed to a ruse that attempts to shut down Christians and get them to comply with the world.
 
I think there is an inner and outer righteousness. Those who have attained the inner spiritual maturity tend to draw people to them and the ones with an outer righteousness tend to turn others away.
Im sure there must have been righteous pharisees so Im not sure why Jesus seems to condemn them as a group ......oddly enough they are the ones who continued with their teachings and found favour amongst the common people long after the sadducees way of favouring the company of the elite became extinct. So Im not even sure why if the Pharisees found favour among the common people why they would be surprised at Jesus eating with the common people.
 
Waterfall said:
I think there is an inner and outer righteousness. Those who have attained the inner spiritual maturity tend to draw people to them and the ones with an outer righteousness tend to turn others away.
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You paint the picture of lovely Jesus that everybody wants to hang around with, and when we achieve Jesusness, everybody will like us and want to be like us.

We are the salt of the earth, the light of the world.
Salt was very valuable, It was used as a preservative to keep things from going bad, and light exposes what is hiding in dark places. So not all salty people draw people to Jesus. Slugs hate salt.

Not only that, Jesus could be pretty salty. Feeding and healing was a draw, but what he said often made people turn away.

At the end pretty much everybody was yelling crucify him, crucify him, because they were expecting him to start a war to deliver them from the Romans. He didn't come to deliver from Rome, but our own sin. If he had not risen from the dead, his story would have remained dead.
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
You paint the picture of lovely Jesus that everybody wants to hang around with, and when we achieve Jesusness, everybody will like us and want to be like us.

We are the salt of the earth, the light of the world.
Salt was very valuable, It was used as a preservative to keep things from going bad, and light exposes what is hiding in dark places. So not all salty people draw people to Jesus. Slugs hate salt.

Not only that, Jesus could be pretty salty. Feeding and healing was a draw, but what he said often made people turn away.

At the end pretty much everybody was yelling crucify him, crucify him, because they were expecting him to start a war to deliver them from the Romans. He didn't come to deliver from Rome, but our own sin. If he had not risen from the dead, his story would have remained dead.
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And the greatest commandments are love God and one another...even your enemies. I don't find that offensive at all. Controversial yes.
Why do you insist Jesus not be "lovely" as you say?
There is no table that He could sit at that would be without sinners. ....
 
Waterfall said:
And the greatest commandments are love God and one another...even your enemies. I don't find that offensive at all. Controversial yes.
Why do you insist Jesus not be "lovely" as you say?
There is no table that He could sit at that would be without sinners. ....
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well for one, Jesus also, for example, taught about the reality of hell, a lot don't like that Jesus teachings
 
Waterfall said:
And the greatest commandments are love God and one another...even your enemies. I don't find that offensive at all. Controversial yes.
Why do you insist Jesus not be "lovely" as you say?
There is no table that He could sit at that would be without sinners. ....
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You have made up 2 dimensional Jesus.

And love means telling people the truth when they don't want to hear it.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
well for one, Jesus also, for example, taught about the reality of hell, a lot don't like that Jesus teachings
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What I hear Jesus teaching about Shoel more than likely is different than what you hear Jesus teaching. I will leave it at that....Im sure it will come up further along in Luke.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
sure , but there still is weeping and gnashing of teeth
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Not within my understanding.
Look up :
Shoel
Gehenna
Hades
Tarturus

All of these words have been translared into one word in English. Tarturus comes closest to your understanding but is only mentioned once in Peter but it describes where God has sent fallen angels.
You are aware of the different translations of love right?
 
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