blackbelt1961
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I know, your not exclusive in that
Bible Study Thread: Luke
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I know, your not exclusive in that
blackbelt1961
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Then you dont know me.
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Pontifex Geronimo 13 -----your quote ------And love means telling people the truth when they don't want to hear it.
unsafe says ----
Amen and Amen to that statement -----Love is Preaching The Truth no matter what it cost ------ if People leave the Church because truth is being Preached then they are not interested in truth ----they are interested in a sugar coated ---warm and fuzzy Theology that likes to twist the Truth into pleasing people not God -----The Church needs God Pleasing not People pleasing ------
unsafe says ----
Amen and Amen to that statement -----Love is Preaching The Truth no matter what it cost ------ if People leave the Church because truth is being Preached then they are not interested in truth ----they are interested in a sugar coated ---warm and fuzzy Theology that likes to twist the Truth into pleasing people not God -----The Church needs God Pleasing not People pleasing ------
blackbelt1961
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i know alot of what you post
Pontifex Geronimo 13
#walkaway
blackbelt1961
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as much as i agree with this, we do have to be careful in how we preach the truth, some churches are so legalistic in its truth approach and other churches and very graceful and humble in there approach
We all know what weeping is....gnashing of teeth is anger....God even gnashed his teeth at Job, was God in hell?
Pontifex Geronimo 13
#walkaway
blackbelt1961
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sounds like , Jesus said we are not going to be very happy in that place
unsafe
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This is todays scripture ----
Luke 5:27-32(ERV)
Levi (Matthew) Follows Jesus
27 After this Jesus went out and saw a tax collector sitting at his place for collecting taxes. His name was Levi. Jesus said to him, “Follow me!” 28 Levi got up, left everything, and followed Jesus.
29 Then Levi gave a big dinner at his house for Jesus. At the table there were many tax collectors and some other people too. 30 But the Pharisees and those who taught the law for the Pharisees began to complain to the followers of Jesus, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and other sinners?”
31 Jesus answered them, “It is the sick people who need a doctor, not those who are healthy. 32 I have not come to ask good people to change. I have come to ask sinners to change the way they live.”
unsafe says ----verse 31 talks about sick people needing a doctor -----Sin makes people soul sick ----All of us are Born Soul Sick ----we need a Doctor who can fix our soul sickness -----No worldly Doctor can fix our Soul Sickness -----People who have their soul sickness cured in God's eyes don't need a Physician to cure them cause they have realized that only one Physician can cure them and they obey what the Physician has said for them to do to remain well -----
Jesus is Our Great Physician ------so Jesus is saying ---I am sitting with sinners who are soul sick ----unfortunately the Pharisees show their ignorance and get offended and complain not to Jesus but to His Followers ----Jesus answers for His Followers by saying it is sick that need a doctor ------ The Pharisees were more interested in their Laws and own manmade regulations than they were about their soul sickness ----
In order to Be right with God in the Old Testament it was by Faith and obedience putting that Faith in the Right Action in following God's Will -----
unsafe Posting here from Hebrews ---Read all as more are mentioned here -----
Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 11 - GOD’S WORD Translation
Hebrews 11(GW)
Faith Directed People’s Lives
11 Faith assures us of things we expect and convinces us of the existence of things we cannot see. 2 God accepted our ancestors because of their faith.
3 Faith convinces us that God created the world through his word. This means what can be seen was made by something that could not be seen.
4 Faith led Abel to offer God a better sacrifice than Cain’s sacrifice. Through his faith Abel received God’s approval, since God accepted his sacrifices. Through his faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.
5 Faith enabled Enoch to be taken instead of dying. No one could find him, because God had taken him. Scripture states that before Enoch was taken, God was pleased with him. 6 No one can please God without faith. Whoever goes to God must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
7 Faith led Noah to listen when God warned him about the things in the future that he could not see. He obeyed God and built a ship to save his family. Through faith Noah condemned the world and received God’s approval that comes through faith.
8 Faith led Abraham to obey when God called him to go to a place that he would receive as an inheritance. Abraham left his own country without knowing where he was going.
9 Faith led Abraham to live as a foreigner in the country that God had promised him. He lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who received the same promise from God. 10 Abraham was waiting for the city that God had designed and built, the city with permanent foundations.
11 Faith enabled Abraham to become a father, even though he was old and Sarah had never been able to have children. Abraham trusted that God would keep his promise. 12 Abraham was as good as dead. Yet, from this man came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the grains of sand on the seashore.
unsafe says ----in the New Testament while Jesus was alive ---people like ---Mary --Joseph ----Elizabeth and her Husband --Simeon ---Joseph of Arimathea come to mind -----Again by Faith and obedience they were Righteous in God's eyes ------
unsafe says ----These people By their Faith and obedience were made right in God's eyes but they still sinned so they had to abide by the Law to have their sins covered by the Blood of animals like everyone else under the Law of Moses -----
Jesus is Still Our Great Physicians today ----and He is the only one today who can heal our soul sickness -----without Jesus we will remain Soul Sick by and through our Sins we commit ----- and that will put us in a very bad eternal end -----
We all have a Choice ----Be Healed or Not
Luke 5:27-32(ERV)
Levi (Matthew) Follows Jesus
27 After this Jesus went out and saw a tax collector sitting at his place for collecting taxes. His name was Levi. Jesus said to him, “Follow me!” 28 Levi got up, left everything, and followed Jesus.
29 Then Levi gave a big dinner at his house for Jesus. At the table there were many tax collectors and some other people too. 30 But the Pharisees and those who taught the law for the Pharisees began to complain to the followers of Jesus, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and other sinners?”
31 Jesus answered them, “It is the sick people who need a doctor, not those who are healthy. 32 I have not come to ask good people to change. I have come to ask sinners to change the way they live.”
unsafe says ----verse 31 talks about sick people needing a doctor -----Sin makes people soul sick ----All of us are Born Soul Sick ----we need a Doctor who can fix our soul sickness -----No worldly Doctor can fix our Soul Sickness -----People who have their soul sickness cured in God's eyes don't need a Physician to cure them cause they have realized that only one Physician can cure them and they obey what the Physician has said for them to do to remain well -----
Jesus is Our Great Physician ------so Jesus is saying ---I am sitting with sinners who are soul sick ----unfortunately the Pharisees show their ignorance and get offended and complain not to Jesus but to His Followers ----Jesus answers for His Followers by saying it is sick that need a doctor ------ The Pharisees were more interested in their Laws and own manmade regulations than they were about their soul sickness ----
In order to Be right with God in the Old Testament it was by Faith and obedience putting that Faith in the Right Action in following God's Will -----
unsafe Posting here from Hebrews ---Read all as more are mentioned here -----
Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 11 - GOD’S WORD Translation
Hebrews 11(GW)
Faith Directed People’s Lives
11 Faith assures us of things we expect and convinces us of the existence of things we cannot see. 2 God accepted our ancestors because of their faith.
3 Faith convinces us that God created the world through his word. This means what can be seen was made by something that could not be seen.
4 Faith led Abel to offer God a better sacrifice than Cain’s sacrifice. Through his faith Abel received God’s approval, since God accepted his sacrifices. Through his faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.
5 Faith enabled Enoch to be taken instead of dying. No one could find him, because God had taken him. Scripture states that before Enoch was taken, God was pleased with him. 6 No one can please God without faith. Whoever goes to God must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
7 Faith led Noah to listen when God warned him about the things in the future that he could not see. He obeyed God and built a ship to save his family. Through faith Noah condemned the world and received God’s approval that comes through faith.
8 Faith led Abraham to obey when God called him to go to a place that he would receive as an inheritance. Abraham left his own country without knowing where he was going.
9 Faith led Abraham to live as a foreigner in the country that God had promised him. He lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who received the same promise from God. 10 Abraham was waiting for the city that God had designed and built, the city with permanent foundations.
11 Faith enabled Abraham to become a father, even though he was old and Sarah had never been able to have children. Abraham trusted that God would keep his promise. 12 Abraham was as good as dead. Yet, from this man came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the grains of sand on the seashore.
unsafe says ----in the New Testament while Jesus was alive ---people like ---Mary --Joseph ----Elizabeth and her Husband --Simeon ---Joseph of Arimathea come to mind -----Again by Faith and obedience they were Righteous in God's eyes ------
unsafe says ----These people By their Faith and obedience were made right in God's eyes but they still sinned so they had to abide by the Law to have their sins covered by the Blood of animals like everyone else under the Law of Moses -----
Jesus is Still Our Great Physicians today ----and He is the only one today who can heal our soul sickness -----without Jesus we will remain Soul Sick by and through our Sins we commit ----- and that will put us in a very bad eternal end -----
We all have a Choice ----Be Healed or Not
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Summary: Luke 5: 33 - 39
Jesus is questioned why His disciples eat and drink. John's disciples frequently fast and pray, like the disciples of the Pharisees. Jesus answers, “You cannot make wedding guests fast while the bridegroom is with them, can you? The days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast in those days.”
Jesus tells the parables of the old & new cloth and the old & new wineskins.
Jesus also makes the statement that no one desires new wine after drinking the old.
Jesus is questioned why His disciples eat and drink. John's disciples frequently fast and pray, like the disciples of the Pharisees. Jesus answers, “You cannot make wedding guests fast while the bridegroom is with them, can you? The days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast in those days.”
Jesus tells the parables of the old & new cloth and the old & new wineskins.
Jesus also makes the statement that no one desires new wine after drinking the old.
Thoughts on Luke 5:33-35...
The Pharisees had allies in John's missionaries. Misunderstanding their master's lifestyle and trying to ape it, they believed such conduct necessary for a Jew.
And so some of these came to Jesus with a question concerning some of these observances in fasting, which Jesus' missionaries didn't observe. The implication was a morals-laxness and a customs-disregard.
☆ The Pharisees' attitude was foolish.☆
Jesus answers. He's the Bridegroom; his 12 are the bridal feast's sons, the wedding's best men. The time of Jesus' sojourn on earth's the wedding-feast. Now it'd be wrong for the chief guests at a marriage-feast to give mourning's evidence, such as fasting.
In the days when the Bridegroom would be taken from them, when Jesus would have to enter upon suffering's path and be taken from them, as to his visible presence, by death, then they'd mourn, then they'd give sorrow's evidence.
The Pharisees had allies in John's missionaries. Misunderstanding their master's lifestyle and trying to ape it, they believed such conduct necessary for a Jew.
And so some of these came to Jesus with a question concerning some of these observances in fasting, which Jesus' missionaries didn't observe. The implication was a morals-laxness and a customs-disregard.
☆ The Pharisees' attitude was foolish.☆
Jesus answers. He's the Bridegroom; his 12 are the bridal feast's sons, the wedding's best men. The time of Jesus' sojourn on earth's the wedding-feast. Now it'd be wrong for the chief guests at a marriage-feast to give mourning's evidence, such as fasting.
In the days when the Bridegroom would be taken from them, when Jesus would have to enter upon suffering's path and be taken from them, as to his visible presence, by death, then they'd mourn, then they'd give sorrow's evidence.
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Reflection: Luke 5: 33 - 39
We had almost the identical text in Matthew and Mark. All three gospels place it right after the call of the tax collector by Jesus.
The statement that no one desires new wine after drinking the old only appears in Luke.
Jesus seems to be speaking of future events with his wedding metaphor.
When we discussed this story on the earlier threads, many of our members thought the old and new metaphors referred to God's covenants.
We had almost the identical text in Matthew and Mark. All three gospels place it right after the call of the tax collector by Jesus.
The statement that no one desires new wine after drinking the old only appears in Luke.
Jesus seems to be speaking of future events with his wedding metaphor.
When we discussed this story on the earlier threads, many of our members thought the old and new metaphors referred to God's covenants.
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In Luke's narrative, only 4 disciples have been called at this point.
You have spoken already about Luke's gospel being out of chronological order. In your view, does one of the other gospels offer the correct order? How do you decide on the correct sequence of events?
My approach to reading Luke is to try to understand the story as he is telling it to us. Sometimes I compare his version to the other gospels, but I try to avoid conflating the different accounts.
Your mileage may differ, as they say.
That's a good thought paradox3. That John was in prison may have contributed to their practice.
In Luke's narrative, only 4 disciples have been called at this point.
You have spoken already about Luke's gospel being out of chronological order. In your view, does one of the other gospels offer the correct order? How do you decide on the correct sequence of events?
My approach to reading Luke is to try to understand the story as he is telling it to us. Sometimes I compare his version to the other gospels, but I try to avoid conflating the different accounts.
Your mileage may differ, as they say.
I dislike the word, "conflate," because it sounds like something negative's going on. I simply view the Bible as one grand narrative - from Genesis through to Revelation.
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Yes, from hosting these bible study threads I have learned that you and others view the bible this way.
You didn't answer my question about how you determine chronology in your reading of the bible. How did you arrive at your belief about the correct chronological sequence of the stories in the gospel?
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