blackbelt1961
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Yes i would like to hear them as well
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I find it interesting to note that some of the great teachers of philosophy or wisdom including Christianity, didn't write things down. It was their pupils or disciples. Why is that? Most likely because once we are taught the basic principles of the teachings, we are to use that on our own journeys towards enlightenment or becoming more Godlike. Even Jesus, when writing in the sand was more than likely intentional in doing so, knowing full well that our conclusions may be the same but arrived at by a different route. To leave anything in writing would deny us our own experience. All that is necessary is God, guidance and a willingness to learn.
https://biblethingsinbibleways.wordpress.com/2013/07/14/paul-and-his-use-of-greek-philosophy/
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And here it notes that the Pythagoras teachings were revered by the Essene sect which Jesus and his family were a part of.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=twQ6ahNogJIC&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=Pythagoras teachings similar to Christs&source=bl&ots=heDq2a6p9V&sig=pNxLNF8Wzlwkqg92GiZe7LNGG1o&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBWoVChMIyq-DjtOLxgIVA1uSCh1fzgCV#v=onepage&q=Pythagoras teachings similar to Christs&f=false
Did the teachers of philosophy (seers) come out of nowhere ... like distant conceptions?
Why not in true desire and passion mortals usually put off sears and visionaries ... so senators can say: "Id idn't know!" Thus idi -ism as disoriented association in the abstract of mind/soul/psyche complex not allowable by simple-oriented authority ... da KISS in the end ... or what you get from firm authority once entrenched ... the rutty of powers? Some sa' like an elle a feint in estrous ... the monster in the rheum? Something to mentally chew over ... the dhow ager's got "M" and thus no M-pathe for nothin' ... even thin king as a line onde-Light! Onega silverware .. asp oon reflecting ... it's poon tang something to be manipulated Manu Allah?
Why not in true desire and passion mortals usually put off sears and visionaries ... so senators can say: "Id idn't know!" Thus idi -ism as disoriented association in the abstract of mind/soul/psyche complex not allowable by simple-oriented authority ... da KISS in the end ... or what you get from firm authority once entrenched ... the rutty of powers? Some sa' like an elle a feint in estrous ... the monster in the rheum? Something to mentally chew over ... the dhow ager's got "M" and thus no M-pathe for nothin' ... even thin king as a line onde-Light! Onega silverware .. asp oon reflecting ... it's poon tang something to be manipulated Manu Allah?
unsafe
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This is what God says -----Neo
Isaiah 43:10-12----Read all here ---https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 43&version=NIV
Israel’s Only Savior
10 “You are my witnesses,(A)” declares the Lord,
“and my servant(B)whom I have chosen,
so that you may know(C)and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god(D)was formed,
nor will there be one after me.(E)
11 I, even I, am the Lord,(F)
and apart from me there is no savior.(G)
12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—
I, and not some foreign god(H)among you.
You are my witnesses,(I)” declares theLord, “that I am God.
Neo ----your god or the one you follow talks about enlightenment ----Buddha's enlightenment ----is all about this ----
The Four Noble Truths ---and The Noble Eight-fold Path ----- http://www.bcc.ca/buddhism/fournobletruthsandeightfoldpath.html
This is the statement from the bottom of the article on this sight ------
Thus, through its long history Buddhism underwent many changes.
The Bible never changes ---God's word is the same today as it was when God inspired it ------God is not a respecter of persons ---He is a respecter of His word only -------your Buddhism has changed many times for people -----big difference here -----
The Bible meaning of enlightenment in Greek ----Read all here ----http://biblehub.com/thayers/5461.htm
5461. phótizó►
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 5461: φωτίζω
to bring to light, render evident: ;to cause something to exist and thus to come to light and become clear to all:,2 Timothy 1:10.
This is the enlightenment from God in 2 Tim verse8-9- 10 is true enlightenment and has never changed to suit any people unlike your Buddhism -----
Read all 2 Tim here ----https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Timothy 1:6-14&version=NIRV
2 Timothy 1:6-14New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
Paul Encourages Timothy to Be Faithful
6 This is why I remind you to help God’s gift grow, just as a small spark grows into a fire. God put his gift in you when I placed my hands on you.7 God gave us his Spirit. And the Spirit doesn’t make us weak and fearful. Instead, the Spirit gives us power and love. He helps us control ourselves.8 So don’t be ashamed of the message about our Lord. And don’t be ashamed of me, his prisoner. Instead, join with me as I suffer for the good news. God’s power will help us do that.9 God has saved us. He has chosen us to live a holy life. It wasn’t because of anything we have done. It was because of his own purpose and grace. Through Christ Jesus, God gave us this grace even before time began.10 It has now been made known through the coming of our Savior, Christ Jesus. He has broken the power of death. Because of the good news, he has brought life out into the light. That life never dies.11 I was appointed to announce the good news. I was appointed to be an apostle and a teacher.12 That’s why I’m suffering the way I am. But this gives me no reason to be ashamed. That’s because I know who I have believed in. I am sure he is able to take care of what I have given him. I can trust him with it until the day he returns as judge.
13 Follow what you heard from me as the pattern of true teaching. Follow it with faith and love because you belong to Christ Jesus.14 Guard the truth of the good news that you were trusted with. Guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us.
This is what God says about man made gods-----we all have free will to choose our god or gods and our enlightenment ----mine is Jesus Christ and His word --
Buddha is a bronze or gold statue --man made
Psalm 135:15-18New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
15 The statues of the nations’ gods are made out of silver and gold.
They are made by human hands.
16 They have mouths but can’t speak.
They have eyes but can’t see.
17 They have ears but can’t hear.
They have mouths but can’t breathe.
18 Those who make statues of gods will be like them.
So will all those who trust in them.
Isaiah 43:10-12----Read all here ---https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 43&version=NIV
Israel’s Only Savior
10 “You are my witnesses,(A)” declares the Lord,
“and my servant(B)whom I have chosen,
so that you may know(C)and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god(D)was formed,
nor will there be one after me.(E)
11 I, even I, am the Lord,(F)
and apart from me there is no savior.(G)
12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—
I, and not some foreign god(H)among you.
You are my witnesses,(I)” declares theLord, “that I am God.
Neo ----your god or the one you follow talks about enlightenment ----Buddha's enlightenment ----is all about this ----
The Four Noble Truths ---and The Noble Eight-fold Path ----- http://www.bcc.ca/buddhism/fournobletruthsandeightfoldpath.html
This is the statement from the bottom of the article on this sight ------
Thus, through its long history Buddhism underwent many changes.
The Bible never changes ---God's word is the same today as it was when God inspired it ------God is not a respecter of persons ---He is a respecter of His word only -------your Buddhism has changed many times for people -----big difference here -----
The Bible meaning of enlightenment in Greek ----Read all here ----http://biblehub.com/thayers/5461.htm
5461. phótizó►
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 5461: φωτίζω
to bring to light, render evident: ;to cause something to exist and thus to come to light and become clear to all:,2 Timothy 1:10.
This is the enlightenment from God in 2 Tim verse8-9- 10 is true enlightenment and has never changed to suit any people unlike your Buddhism -----
Read all 2 Tim here ----https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Timothy 1:6-14&version=NIRV
2 Timothy 1:6-14New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
Paul Encourages Timothy to Be Faithful
6 This is why I remind you to help God’s gift grow, just as a small spark grows into a fire. God put his gift in you when I placed my hands on you.7 God gave us his Spirit. And the Spirit doesn’t make us weak and fearful. Instead, the Spirit gives us power and love. He helps us control ourselves.8 So don’t be ashamed of the message about our Lord. And don’t be ashamed of me, his prisoner. Instead, join with me as I suffer for the good news. God’s power will help us do that.9 God has saved us. He has chosen us to live a holy life. It wasn’t because of anything we have done. It was because of his own purpose and grace. Through Christ Jesus, God gave us this grace even before time began.10 It has now been made known through the coming of our Savior, Christ Jesus. He has broken the power of death. Because of the good news, he has brought life out into the light. That life never dies.11 I was appointed to announce the good news. I was appointed to be an apostle and a teacher.12 That’s why I’m suffering the way I am. But this gives me no reason to be ashamed. That’s because I know who I have believed in. I am sure he is able to take care of what I have given him. I can trust him with it until the day he returns as judge.
13 Follow what you heard from me as the pattern of true teaching. Follow it with faith and love because you belong to Christ Jesus.14 Guard the truth of the good news that you were trusted with. Guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us.
This is what God says about man made gods-----we all have free will to choose our god or gods and our enlightenment ----mine is Jesus Christ and His word --
Buddha is a bronze or gold statue --man made
Psalm 135:15-18New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
15 The statues of the nations’ gods are made out of silver and gold.
They are made by human hands.
16 They have mouths but can’t speak.
They have eyes but can’t see.
17 They have ears but can’t hear.
They have mouths but can’t breathe.
18 Those who make statues of gods will be like them.
So will all those who trust in them.
Jaebius
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We've changed the way we interpret the Bible many times over the centuries unsafe. Hermeneutics is ever in flux.
Jaebius
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Luce. Something very capacitating.Like capacity of M pathetic soul? Can't say that publically as business is mostly about competition and war lochs ... thus the Worknock portion of the brain which physical scientists say there's no use for ... and yet they don't know what the buky of the brain is for ... isn't that dark humour? One has to keep a fete (foot) on either side ... to appreciate the ether ... some just don't got know desire for that ... to complex for their scales ... that famous Greek floater (arche a' Medea's) a mind in regards to concepts and displacement ... the substation of water for hot Ayres ? Almost like the Dunne Garvin Whopper ... hooper? Cooper .. some bare elle' aeries have fun out there tormenting their displacements substitutionary emotions according to the outside roué's for that primitive monkeying around .. indhe tres? Verily ...
blackbelt1961
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there were many Greek philosophers of the time, why there ideas were not written , or even what they wrote, is un-know , so one simply needs to, withhold judgement, to assume Paul borrowed his thoughts on spirituality from philosophers and not from His personal experance and relationship with the Living God/Jesus, is to damage what is written.
Paul Clearly states in Acts 17:16-34 , the Greek philosophers of the time had a desire for God but did not know God, it is Paul who corrects them and leads them, not the other way around.
I strongly disagree, to leave anything to experiential chance leaves us open to falsehoods in a world teaming with spiritual beings who are not all with the Creator. It would leave us in the same place the philosophers were in Acts when Paul Corrected them, Paul found an alter among them , it read "to an unknown god". Paul uses His authority in the Spirit of God , not the wisdom of the philosophers to correct them.
Blackbelt, scroll down and read the footnotes:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 17:16-34
It was good for Paul to know the different philosophies of Greece, IMO, in order to relate to his audience. These thoughts were not considered "satanic" or unusable in proclaiming Christs message but a tool to link the truth they knew with the whole truth. He reached out to them from "where they live".
Have you never learned anything through experience? Is God not capable or "big enough" to use experience to teach us or relate to us His ways? How did Paul find his way to Christ?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 17:16-34
It was good for Paul to know the different philosophies of Greece, IMO, in order to relate to his audience. These thoughts were not considered "satanic" or unusable in proclaiming Christs message but a tool to link the truth they knew with the whole truth. He reached out to them from "where they live".
Have you never learned anything through experience? Is God not capable or "big enough" to use experience to teach us or relate to us His ways? How did Paul find his way to Christ?
blackbelt1961
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Jesus live in a world full of truths and falsehoods, as is today , Jesus came as a man, lived among us, suffered with us, Jesus hung out with the despised, prostitutes, lepers, Jesus taught in the synagogue at 13, does hanging out with these make Jesus like them no of course not.
Who would benefit to have Christ living amongst them?
blackbelt1961
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but the point still is Paul teachings and power came from Christ alone, not philosophers
yes i have, i learned that not all experiences are from God , that if continued it would lead down a rd of disaster
God is, but because God knows the god of this words interference , God being so Big incarnates Himself so that we my see truth not just live by unseen experiences
Paul is a great example who was a Jew and knew spirituality a murderer of Christians , yet is was Christ who corrected, not philosophers , the point is , it is the physical , Visual incarnation , teachings, Ministering s, healings, miracles death and ultimately the Resurrection of the Lord followed by 500 eyewitnesses accounts and historical witting and the explosion of the church that we find the foundation and trust in the Christian faith. all this furthered by the power and witness of the Holy Spirit that these events are factual and true .
That is standard and good scholarship, are there others that say other wise? like the philosophers in the book of Acts, it is no different today , but of you dig deep into there research you find, they draw from the wrong sources, have No basses for there conclusion other than assumptions.
blackbelt1961
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you and me
Jaebius
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Christ lives among us as we, through the power of the Spirit of God, incarnate Him together.
Neo
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Seriously Unsafe, you can't see that you're throwing stones from a glass house here?
First of all, it is the interpretations of Buddhism that have changed through history and not the words of the Buddha themselves. And why this is, as with the words of the Christ, is that we are still catching up to and understanding what these great Sages actually meant.
And next you said that "God's word is the same today as it was when God inspired it". Does this apply to the many, many references in the Old Testament that tell us that rape, murder and slavery are totally acceptable practices in our society?
And finally there is your hypocritical statement re the gold and silver statutes of the Buddha being made of human hands and having no life, according to Psalms 135. Almost every Christian I've met wears a gold or silver cross around their neck. The Christian Churches are filled with good and silver statues of Jesus and the Virgin Mary. How can you in all consciousness criticize other religions of idol worship when your own religion is just as guilty?
Jaebius
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You'll find such statues of Jesus and Mary in some Christian churches Neo, certainly not in all, and I'd imagine not in most. That sounds quite Roman Catholic to me. We tend to use neither statues nor iconography in the Baptist tradition, not there's anything necessarily wrong with doing so. I also don't know the percentage of Christians who wear crosses. As far as I know, none of Christian friends and family regularly do, and neither do I. Again, not that there's necessarily thing wrong with doing so. Now, on the issue of idolatry - just having statues isn't itself idolatry. The idolatry would come in if said statues were being worshipped. Faithful Christians worship the Son of God - not statues.
Neo
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Yes, I agree, much of physical idolatry can be measured with intent. Sometimes, however, it can and does affect us very deeply at times, like these days with the Muslims and the Koran or, with many right winged Christians, the Bible.
Sincere and intelligent intent combined with respect and reverence is the only way to approach a regious artifact. Otherwise it's just a graven image.
unsafe
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Pr.Jae your quote -----We've changed the way we interpret the Bible many times over the centuries unsafe
Show me any scripture that has changed in the Bible ---God's word is the same today as it was when God inspired what was to be written ---The Holy Spirit is the only one in my Bible that gives true meaning to scripture according to scripture ------The Words God gave are the same today as they were in the beginning they haven't changed -----
And this is your from your quote ---- Hermeneutics is ever in flux. -----
Hermeneutics was initially applied to the interpretation, or exegesis, of scripture. It emerged as a theory of human understanding in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries through the work ofFriedrich SchleiermacherandWilhelm Dilthey.[6]Modern hermeneutics includes both verbal and nonverbal communication as well assemiotics, presuppositions, and preunderstandings.
your human understanding can change but the Holy Spirit speaks truth and is the teacher of the true meaning to scripture in my Book ---and I follow God and His Book that has never changed ------Human interpretation or understanding will always be changing ----
This is what I believe ---- you can believe what you like -----The Holy Spirit does not keep changing the Interpretation of scripture --we humans do that by trying man made methods in my opinion ---
dependence upon the HOLY SPIRIT: -----Scripture tells us that we are to rely on the Holy Spirit's illumination to gain insights into the meaning and application of Scripture (John 16:12-15, 1 Corinthians 2:9-11). It is the Holy Spirit's work to throw light upon the Word of God so that the believer can assent to the meaning intended and act on it. The Holy Spirit, as the"Spirit of truth"(John 16:13), guides us so that"we may understand what God has freely given us"(1 Corinthians 2:12). This is quite logical: full comprehension of the Word of God is impossible without prayerful dependence on the Spirit of God, for He who inspired the Word (2 Peter 1:21) is also its supreme interpreter.
Show me any scripture that has changed in the Bible ---God's word is the same today as it was when God inspired what was to be written ---The Holy Spirit is the only one in my Bible that gives true meaning to scripture according to scripture ------The Words God gave are the same today as they were in the beginning they haven't changed -----
And this is your from your quote ---- Hermeneutics is ever in flux. -----
Hermeneutics was initially applied to the interpretation, or exegesis, of scripture. It emerged as a theory of human understanding in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries through the work ofFriedrich SchleiermacherandWilhelm Dilthey.[6]Modern hermeneutics includes both verbal and nonverbal communication as well assemiotics, presuppositions, and preunderstandings.
your human understanding can change but the Holy Spirit speaks truth and is the teacher of the true meaning to scripture in my Book ---and I follow God and His Book that has never changed ------Human interpretation or understanding will always be changing ----
This is what I believe ---- you can believe what you like -----The Holy Spirit does not keep changing the Interpretation of scripture --we humans do that by trying man made methods in my opinion ---
dependence upon the HOLY SPIRIT: -----Scripture tells us that we are to rely on the Holy Spirit's illumination to gain insights into the meaning and application of Scripture (John 16:12-15, 1 Corinthians 2:9-11). It is the Holy Spirit's work to throw light upon the Word of God so that the believer can assent to the meaning intended and act on it. The Holy Spirit, as the"Spirit of truth"(John 16:13), guides us so that"we may understand what God has freely given us"(1 Corinthians 2:12). This is quite logical: full comprehension of the Word of God is impossible without prayerful dependence on the Spirit of God, for He who inspired the Word (2 Peter 1:21) is also its supreme interpreter.