Works without faith is dead

[Jaebius]

I am not sure your meaning here Jae . I am not broken any more Brother . Yes I live in flesh just now . But GOD helps me deal with that.If you have GODS spirit in flesh with you . How can you be broken? Praise be to GOD Jae . In the last 38 years I have been learning to be one with GOD.To Listen to what He says , to obey Him who has all Knowledge to the one" who will Teach us all things. I am a child of the living GOD", broken Jae No. living for the first time yes.

I'm broken airclean because I still suffer the effects of, and continue to wrestle with, my old sinful human nature. I'm also a saint now, because God has given me faith, justified me, and brought me into His Kingdom.

 

[Neo]

You guys (and gal) are interesting in how you shoe horn the passages of the Bible to fit your individual religions, doctrines and dogmas, - all of which are purely man-made by priests who had very political motives to keep a population ignorant and in fear.

Personally, I believe the Bible to be an amazing book of both truths and misconceptions. The doctrine of "original sin", for instance, is based on a total misunderstanding of the allegorical story of Adam and Eve. But based on that misunderstanding, religion has been forced to come up with the whole idea of a divine human sacrifice. And religion took this concept to a whole different level where even the mere suggestion that such a doctrine may be wrong is enough to guarantee one a place in that pit of eternal fire. Ahhh .. such is the God of Christianity. No wonder so many people today lean towards atheism if this is their choice.

I believe in the aphorism that "there is no religion higher than truth". If you agree with this, even to the slightest degree, then try reading the following article, first published in 1947, which addresses some of the concepts of theosophy, which is a word derived from the Greek word theosophia, which literally means "God-wisdom", (as opposed to theology which means "God-logic").

http://blavatskytheosophy.com/conversation-between-a-christian-and-a-theosophist/

(And Blackbelt, I know your predefined views on Blavatsky's work, but just for a few minutes, just try reading this with unbiased and open mind.. it's not a sin to have an open mind)

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people".
- Karl Marx

 

[blackbelt1961]

You guys (and gal) are interesting in how you shoe horn the passages of the Bible

hmmmmm, and you dont? at least ours is biblical , yours is not

to fit your individual religions, doctrines and dogmas, - all of which are purely man-made by priests who had very political motives to keep a population ignorant and in fear.

one of many assumptions

Personally, I believe the Bible to be an amazing book of both truths and misconceptions. The doctrine of "original sin", for instance, is based on a total misunderstanding of the allegorical story of Adam and Eve. But based on that misunderstanding, religion has been forced to come up with the whole idea of a divine human sacrifice. And religion took this concept to a whole different level where even the mere suggestion that such a doctrine may be wrong is enough to guarantee one a place in that pit of eternal fire. Ahhh .. such is the God of Christianity. No wonder so many people today lean towards atheism if this is their choice.

and you claim we shoe horn?

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(And Blackbelt, I know your predefined views on Blavatsky's work, but just for a few minutes, just try reading this with unbiased and open mind.. it's not a sin to have an open mind)

been there done that before the Holy Spirit called me , Blavatsky is a satanist

Jesus is Truth

 

[unsafe]

airclean33 your quote -----I am not broken any more Brother -----I so agree with that statement ---we are not broken in Spirit ---we have God living on the inside of us --we no longer have a broken Spirit we have a Holy Spirit -----and God's Grace is power for us to live a holy life ----our mind is what needs to be worked on ----we can't have 2 minds and master living God's way ------we will be trying to do what God wants but will also give in to our old way of thinking and do our will not God's Will -----

Philippians 2:2 -----King James 2000 Bible

Fulfill you my joy, that you be like minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

Context
Being One in Christ

1Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion,2make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose.3Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves;…

Can't be one in Christ with 2 mind sets -------Until we are like Minded with Christ we will struggle with falling into sin -----Grace is there for us to help us be like minded with Christ ----we need to want it and do the work to be of one mind ------Grace gives us the ability we have to want to put this Grace to work to succeed -----Paul is the example of this ---Satan still had access to Him and God said My Grace is sufficient ----in our weakness God's Grace is strength to overcome the weakness -----We have to believe in the power of God's Grace ----


Greek for Mind here ----

5426. phroneó►
Strong's Concordance
phroneó: to have understanding, to think

Original Word:φρονέω
Part of Speech:Verb
Transliterationhroneó
Phonetic Spellingfron-eh'-o)

Short Definition:I think, judge, observe

Definitiona) I think, (b) I think, judge, (c) I direct the mind to, seek for, (d) I observe, (e) I care for

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
to think

From phren; to exercise the mind, i.e. Entertain or have a sentiment or opinion; by implication, to be (mentally) disposed (more or less earnestly in a certain direction); intensively, to interest oneself in (with concern or obedience) -- set the affection on, (be) care(-ful), (be like-, + be of one, + be of the same, + let this) mind(-ed), regard, savour, think.

 

[unsafe]

Jesus is Truth

Amen Brother

 

[Neo]

hmmmmm, and you dont? at least ours is biblical , yours is not

Actually, the irony of this counter claim of yours is that it can proven, without a reasonable doubt, that the Bible is a conglomeration of Egyptian, Hindu and Hebrew/Aramaic stories. This introduces a whole array of sources for increased understanding of the allegories and symbolism in the Bible.

One of the greatest "sins" that the original Christian priests ever did, was to place the Bible itself as the final and only Word of God. It started a dark age of understanding that lasted over a thousand years. How can the Bible be the only source of truth when the stories therein originate from other sources? !

It's time we opened our eyes and find the real silver lining of truth that runs across all the scriptures of the world. This is the "truth within", or as Jesus said elsewhere, "the kingdom within", which more aptly describes a state of greater Awareness.

Believing the Bible itself possesses some kind of unique and magical properties is nothing more than idol worship. It is materialism in it's purist sense. The Bible is a collection of books written by spirit inspired men, and then interpreted into dogma and doctrine by politically inspired men.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Actually, the irony of this counter claim of yours is that it can proven, without a reasonable doubt, that the Bible is a conglomeration of Egyptian, Hindu and Hebrew/Aramaic stories. This introduces a whole array of sources for increased understanding of the allegories and symbolism in the Bible.

One of the greatest "sins" that the original Christian priests ever did, was to place the Bible itself as the final and only Word of God. It started a dark age of understanding that lasted over a thousand years. How can the Bible be the only source of truth when the stories therein originate from other sources? !

It's time we opened our eyes and find the real silver lining of truth that runs across all the scriptures of the world. This is the "truth within", or as Jesus said elsewhere, "the kingdom within", which more aptly describes a state of greater Awareness.

Believing the Bible itself possesses some kind of unique and magical properties is nothing more than idol worship. It is materialism in it's purist sense. The Bible is a collection of books written by spirit inspired men, and then interpreted into dogma and doctrine by politically inspired men.

clearly Blavatsky is your truth

 

[Neo]

clearly Blavatsky is your truth

Umm.. did you actually read what I posted? The real truth can only be found within. Only through discernment, using that logical brain of ours, can we ever find "the truth within". Everything else, whether it be the Blavatsky writings or the scriptures of the Bible, are but signposts on the true way.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Umm.. did you actually read what I posted? The real truth can only be found within. Only through discernment, using that logical brain of ours, can we ever find "the truth within". Everything else, whether if be the Blavatsky writings or the scriptures of the Bible, are but signposts on the true way.

yes Neo i read it, and know of it, again been there done that , there is only one God , One Truth, His name is Jesus

Blavatsky is a satanist , an anti-Christ , one of many

 

[Jaebius]

Actually, the irony of this counter claim of yours is that it can proven, without a reasonable doubt, that the Bible is a conglomeration of Egyptian, Hindu and Hebrew/Aramaic stories. This introduces a whole array of sources for increased understanding of the allegories and symbolism in the Bible.

One of the greatest "sins" that the original Christian priests ever did, was to place the Bible itself as the final and only Word of God. It started a dark age of understanding that lasted over a thousand years. How can the Bible be the only source of truth when the stories therein originate from other sources? !

It's time we opened our eyes and find the real silver lining of truth that runs across all the scriptures of the world. This is the "truth within", or as Jesus said elsewhere, "the kingdom within", which more aptly describes a state of greater Awareness.

Believing the Bible itself possesses some kind of unique and magical properties is nothing more than idol worship. It is materialism in it's purist sense. The Bible is a collection of books written by spirit inspired men, and then interpreted into dogma and doctrine by politically inspired men.

I believe Neo that the word of God is Jesus - who comes to us through the Bible. It is not just the printed ink on the paper that is God's word. Of course, Jesus also comes to us in other ways as well - for example, via nature.

 

[blackbelt1961]

I believe Neo that the word of God is Jesus - who comes to us through the Bible. It is not just the printed ink on the paper that is God's word. Of course, Jesus also comes to us in other ways as well - for example, via nature.

amen, the word became flesh

 

[Neo]

yes Neo i read it, and know of it, again been there done that , there is only one God , One Truth, His name is Jesus

Blavatsky is a satanist , an anti-Christ , one of many

In many cases Blavatsky simply points out some pretty blatant observations, would you say that the Egyption, Hindu and Buddhist scriptures were also satanic?

 

[blackbelt1961]

In many cases Blavatsky simply points out some pretty blatant observations, would you say that the Egyption, Hindu and Buddhist scriptures were also satanic?

there are 2 poles of power Neo , 1) God the Creator know as Yahweh , who became Flesh , died and Rose the 3rd Day

and 2) other gods , who did , well Nothing but lies

anything that is not of #1, is satanic in nature , anti-Christ , anti-Creator, lies, falsehoods appearing as truth , or Truth mixed in with lies

what ever you wish to call it its up to you, if its not from God or anything teaching against Gods word The Creator then must be from satan, lucifer , the god of this world , the father of lies

 

[Seeler]

Actually, the irony of this counter claim of yours is that it can proven, without a reasonable doubt, that the Bible is a conglomeration of Egyptian, Hindu and Hebrew/Aramaic stories. This introduces a whole array of sources for increased understanding of the allegories and symbolism in the Bible.

One of the greatest "sins" that the original Christian priests ever did, was to place the Bible itself as the final and only Word of God. It started a dark age of understanding that lasted over a thousand years. How can the Bible be the only source of truth when the stories therein originate from other sources? !

It's time we opened our eyes and find the real silver lining of truth that runs across all the scriptures of the world. This is the "truth within", or as Jesus said elsewhere, "the kingdom within", which more aptly describes a state of greater Awareness.

Believing the Bible itself possesses some kind of unique and magical properties is nothing more than idol worship. It is materialism in it's purist sense. The Bible is a collection of books written by spirit inspired men, and then interpreted into dogma and doctrine by politically inspired men.

I agree!

 

[Neo]

there are 2 poles of power Neo , 1) God the Creator know as Yahweh , who became Flesh , died and Rose the 3rd Day

and 2) other gods , who did , well Nothing but lies

anything that is not of #1, is satanic in nature , anti-Christ , anti-Creator, lies, falsehoods appearing as truth , or Truth mixed in with lies

what ever you wish to call it its up to you, if its not from God or anything teaching against Gods word The Creator then must be from satan, lucifer , the god of this world , the father of lies

Ha ha ha, what a bunch of naive and religious propaganda. Do you honestly think that it's all as simple as that? Christianity sits upon the shoulders of many great religions that preceded it as it grew out of Judaism which itself had strong roots in the older Hindu and Egyptian beliefs.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Ha ha ha, what a bunch of naive and religious propaganda. Do you honestly think that it's all as simple as that? Christianity sits upon the shoulders of many great religions that preceded it as it grew out of Judaism which itself had strong roots in the older Hindu and Egyptian beliefs.

Like I said earlier Neo, Jesus is my Truth & Blavatsky the satanist is not


but you already know this

 

[Jaebius]

Ha ha ha, what a bunch of naive and religious propaganda. Do you honestly think that it's all as simple as that? Christianity sits upon the shoulders of many great religions that preceded it as it grew out of Judaism which itself had strong roots in the older Hindu and Egyptian beliefs.

All of those non-Christian religions have in them, I believe, elements of truth, but the full truth is found in the God-man Jesus Christ.

 

[blackbelt1961]

All of those non-Christian religions have in them, I believe, elements of truth, but the full truth is found in the God-man Jesus Christ.

you know Pr Jae, before i became christian i use read a lot of the occult for yrs, i found it fascinating then it lead to trying things out, well oh boy talk about spiritual manifestations , but regardless, one thing I did learn was that all occult books had one thing in common they ALL every single one attacked the bible , try to discredit it, tried to change its spiritual principles and also used it to validate its own spiritual teachings , no other book was use not the Koran or any other

 

[Neo]

All of those non-Christian religions have in them, I believe, elements of truth, but the full truth is found in the God-man Jesus Christ.

Yes, the truth becomes ever more expansive and clearer as we evolve in time and awareness. The world had never seen the manifestation of one like the Christ, Who has been likened to as the first true flower of Humanity.

The old religions don't apply to the newer cultures, our ideas change and our awareness expands. The current Christian religion too will eventually be superceded by an even newer revelation. This is why "detachment" is such a trap to be aware of. The longer one hangs on to outdated and old ideas the more they become millstones, holding us back.

 

[Jaebius]

you know Pr Jae, before i became christian i use read a lot of the occult for yrs, i found it fascinating then it lead to trying things out, well oh boy talk about spiritual manifestations , but regardless, one thing I did learn was that all occult books had one thing in common they ALL every single one attacked the bible , try to discredit it, tried to change its spiritual principles and also used it to validate its own spiritual teachings , no other book was use not the Koran or any other

I don't doubt that for a second blackbelt, because I believe there is a literal spiritual battle going on; Jesus already won the victory through his work on the cross, but the evil powers of the world still hold the world system kidnapped. I believe we Christians must follow the Spirit of God in claiming Christ's victory.