Transgenderism ..... ask your questions!

[RitaTG]

It can b tough with family memberz *hug*
I do hope u have supportz and perhaps a therapist and/or something like meditation 2 help during these times that get past yer defences?
Radical agape can also b very hard at these times...easy 2 do when things r going onez way

I do not wish for any harm on any that shunned me...
I will not return hurt for hurt...there is no love in that...
One is hurt .... that is quite enough .... I will work on healing....

 

[Delightful Life]

I do not wish for any harm on any that shunned me...
I will not return hurt for hurt...there is no love in that...
One is hurt .... that is quite enough .... I will work on healing....

Good for yas resisting any temptations that way
Keep following Jesus :3

 

[Northwind]

Some people are just a**holes. Hugs, Rita. Glad you've got support.

That's the truth.

 

[Carolla]

Sorry to hear about this Rita. Sending peaceful thoughts to you this evening.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Trump administration eyes defining transgender out of existence

My question is why and who and what are behind this ?

 

[Mendalla]

Trump administration eyes defining transgender out of existence

My question is why and who and what are behind this ?

Why do you need to ask? His party is still heavily influenced by the evangelical right as they have been since Reagan. LGBTQ rights of any kind are anathema to those people, it's just that trans are the low-hanging fruit who enjoy less support than gays and lesbians so they figure they can mess with them without it causing significant political damage to themselves.

 

[crazyheart]

Peace be with you, @RitaTG

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I suspect that there are other forces besides evangelicals, in addition to them, pushing the "only two genders" agenda.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Peace be with you, @RitaTG

Yes. We haven't seen you here for awhile. I hope you are doing ok, Rita.

 

[Seeler]

First they came for the ------

 

[Mendalla]

I suspect that there are other forces besides evangelicals, in addition to them, pushing the "only two genders" agenda.

Perhaps, but that's still ultimately the influence of the evangelical lobby. The opposition to LGBTQ always comes back to that lobby. They've been at this for 40ish years or more. Most Americans, including Tea Partiers and other alt-righters, who oppose LGBTQ rights do so because of the "Christian" (in quotes for a reason) position.

The only exception I can think of might be the small segment of LGB and feminist activists who are transphobic, and that's usually down to putting their self-interest ahead of other's rights. They see aligning with the trans lobby as hurting their credibility or somehow risking their interests, which is simply wrong-headed. Fighting for the rights of one minority can only help the cause for others.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Perhaps, but that's still ultimately the influence of the evangelical lobby. The opposition to LGBTQ always comes back to that lobby. They've been at this for 40ish years or more. Most Americans, including Tea Partiers and other alt-righters, who oppose LGBTQ rights do so because of the "Christian" (in quotes for a reason) position.

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other than westbro baptist church, I have never met an evangelical, who is against LGBTQ rights,

 

[Mendalla]

other than westbro baptist church, I have never met an evangelical, who is against LGBTQ rights,

What are you defining as "evangelical"? There are certainly evangelicals who support or at least don't oppose LGBTQ rights but Pat Robertson et al would beg to differ with you. The Moral Majority/Focus on the Family crowd. But maybe you don't count that group as "evangelical" for some reason. The fact is, whatever you call them, it's the conservative Christian lobby that have opposed same sex marriage, trans rights, and other LGBTQ rights for decades and they do present themselves as being "evangelicals". Even the current movement to give people the right to refuse services based on their religious beliefs comes from that group.

 

[Luce NDs]

Perhaps, but that's still ultimately the influence of the evangelical lobby. The opposition to LGBTQ always comes back to that lobby. They've been at this for 40ish years or more. Most Americans, including Tea Partiers and other alt-righters, who oppose LGBTQ rights do so because of the "Christian" (in quotes for a reason) position.

The only exception I can think of might be the small segment of LGB and feminist activists who are transphobic, and that's usually down to putting their self-interest ahead of other's rights. They see aligning with the trans lobby as hurting their credibility or somehow risking their interests, which is simply wrong-headed. Fighting for the rights of one minority can only help the cause for others.

Because Christianity is just Right?

I grew up in a family of them that hated observation, science, and anything of a questioning nature that didn't involve dissecting folks ... schism? Don't you love such absence .. being the adage is absence makes the heart stronger?

 

[Mendalla]

Because Christianity is just Right?

I grew up in a family of them that hated observation, science, and anything of a questioning nature that didn't involve dissecting folks ... schism? Don't you love such absence .. being the adage is absence makes the heart stronger?

They can believe what they like but we don't have to base our laws on those beliefs. I mean, some of these same people fret about having sharia imposed (not that it would ever happen) but think nothing of imposing their beliefs on society.

 

[Luce NDs]

They can believe what they like but we don't have to base our laws on those beliefs. I mean, some of these same people fret about having sharia imposed (not that it would ever happen) but think nothing of imposing their beliefs on society.

It do appear they believe differently! Thus diversity results in schism and absence of golden thoughts that come with spirits ... mulled over?

Simply untranslatable ...

 

[blackbelt1961]

What are you defining as "evangelical"? There are certainly evangelicals who support or at least don't oppose LGBTQ rights but Pat Robertson et al would beg to differ with you. The Moral Majority/Focus on the Family crowd. But maybe you don't count that group as "evangelical" for some reason. The fact is, whatever you call them, it's the conservative Christian lobby that have opposed same sex marriage, trans rights, and other LGBTQ rights for decades and they do present themselves as being "evangelicals". Even the current movement to give people the right to refuse services based on their religious beliefs comes from that group.

because Christianity does not believe in same sex marriage, or same sex anything, or believes that biologically there are only 2 sexes, does not mean that Christianity believes they have no rights .

For thous who refuse to serve any LGBTQ in a secular setting is shame on them, there personal choice , it is not the norm for Christadome,

 

[revjohn]

because Christianity

Probably should have written because some Christians . . . rather than Christianity. There is a difference of opinion within the body. And Biblically speaking we ignore certain scriptures regarding marriage.

1 Corinthians 7: 8 comes to mind and since none of us are married from birth I suspect Paul is speaking to all of us. That so many are of 1 Corinthians 7: 9 quality probably frustrated Paul more than a little bit.

does not believe in same sex marriage, or same sex anything, or believes that biologically there are only 2 sexes, does not mean that Christianity believes they have no rights.

Well yes and no. Christianity rightly affirms that all of humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God while also affirming that humanity is created in the image and likeness of God.

Christians have some weird and ignorant ways in which they reject what Christianity affirms.

For thous who refuse to serve any LGBTQ in a secular setting is shame on them,

I very much agree with this. Shame indeed upon them and upon the Church they drag into their petty bigotry.

it is not the norm for Christadome,

Not sure what you meant here.

Christiandom which would be the realm of Christian thought and action or,
Christendom which would be the political realm in which Christianity is enforced via the state.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Probably should have written because some Christians . . . rather than Christianity. There is a difference of opinion within the body. And Biblically speaking we ignore certain scriptures regarding marriage.

1 Corinthians 7: 8 comes to mind and since none of us are married from birth I suspect Paul is speaking to all of us. That so many are of 1 Corinthians 7: 9 quality probably frustrated Paul more than a little bit.



Well yes and no. Christianity rightly affirms that all of humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God while also affirming that humanity is created in the image and likeness of God.

Christians have some weird and ignorant ways in which they reject what Christianity affirms.



I very much agree with this. Shame indeed upon them and upon the Church they drag into their petty bigotry.



Not sure what you meant here.

Christiandom which would be the realm of Christian thought and action or,
Christendom which would be the political realm in which Christianity is enforced via the state.

your right, to be more specific some churches affirm same sex and some don't agreed. from what I have learned, Christianity is a relationship filled with love and much grace needed (thank God), so let all regardless of sex , in relationship with Christ work it out between them 2.

so the question really is , how do 2 opposing views, because these views will always be , LGBQ Vs Conservative, get along?.

 

[Mendalla]

the question really is , how do 2 opposing views, because these views will always be , LGBQ Vs Conservative, get along?.

By conservatives accepting that they don't get to dictate to society as a whole how things like LGBTQ rights are decided. They can what they like in their homes and churches, but in the public sphere, they need to accept that society's laws should apply equally to all.

By LGBTQ, and secular society in general, leaving space for conservatives to live their values in the private sphere. So don't force them to perform gay marriages in their churches, for instance.

The problem is the individuals and groups on both sides who refuse to be satisfied with that kind of live and let live and can only accept a society that enforces their rules.

And, to be clear, I find more of those on the conservative side IME.