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PilgrimsProgress

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The question I would have for the decision makers would be why not do the quarantine then for those coming in from abroad, some restrictions for everyone else instead of a lockdown? From what I understood the equivalent of one of our provinces was put into lockdown - maybe I'm incorrect in my understanding.
Lockdown for the general public just seems to have a lot of other risks tied into it. Cure being worse than the disease type of situation.
There was no lockdown until the quarantine failed. If NSW had not stuffed up the cruise ship arrivals - and Victoria the overseas flights quarantine - there would have been no need for lockdown.
Some might see it as an over-reaction -but when you are an island continent you have a very good chance - more so than most countries - of keeping infection numbers to a minimum. This is what we have now done -and now lockdown is over due to it's success. From an Aussie perspective I I would rather put up with the inconvenience of a lockdown and have more of my fellow elderly and vulnerable citizens survive.

The government has supported those in employment -and the unemployed - with wage subsidies.
Financially, despite this, it's the younger folks (not retired like me) who have had to sacrifice so much financially. I hope when this is over we oldies will remember this, and the sacrifices the younger member of our country have made for our health, and support programmes that benefit them.
 
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One of my fav coffee shops that used to have open mic poetry nights and guest published poets, is shuttered. It was quite a busy popular place for years, but it was a social spot. It was out of the way a bit - in a kind of odd location that the regulars knew but was easily unnoticed from outside - but the character of the place was social, and a small venue for arts entertainment. It couldn't survive as a take out place. I've noticed others too. Again, my thinking is changing. No we don't need to go down Rita's rabbit hole - but we should still be asking questions of our authorities and proposing ideas that make sense - and not be lulled into complacency about how they're making the rules. On paper,it's easier to just enact the same rules across the board. In daily reality, it's not easy on people and doesn't quite make sense. You can't spread a virus very far if nobody in your area has it. So looking at regional numbers and using common sense is important. Again - it's not the same everywhere.
 

Mrs.Anteater

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One of my fav coffee shops that used to have open mic poetry nights and guest published poets, is shuttered. It was quite a busy popular place for years, but it was a social spot. It was out of the way a bit - in a kind of odd location that the regulars knew but was easily unnoticed from outside - but the character of the place was social, and a small venue for arts entertainment. It couldn't survive as a take out place. I've noticed others too. Again, my thinking is changing. No we don't need to go down Rita's rabbit hole - but we should still be asking questions of our authorities and proposing ideas that make sense - and not be lulled into complacency about how they're making the rules. On paper,it's easier to just enact the same rules across the board. In daily reality, it's not easy on people and doesn't quite make sense. You can't spread a virus very far if nobody in your area has it. So looking at regional numbers and using common sense is important. Again - it's not the same everywhere.
Kimmio, what would you think if the mainlanders and maybe Albertan and Ontarians would be flooding your island on weekends because there are no restrictions ?
 

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Kimmio said: "Common sense is important. Again - it's not the same everywhere"!

It is often uncommon, rare and stranger ... thus the command to respect the stranger ... even as God does with polyamory ,,, yet humans deny such emotions when tending towards hate and autonomy required to be a winner.

Some great authorities actually believe in this crap ... life on the other side as alternate is worrisome to them ... humility is like losing ... bad for esteem and often not that flattering. Humans are like that ... you've got to admit that hubris is grandly shoved up from somewhere ...
 

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The limitation or outright ban on HCQ worldwide has begun to crack. It will soon collapse because the evidence of its safety and efficacy is so overwhelming.

Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) has been FDA approved for over 65 years and has been used billions of times throughout the entire world without restriction.

It is over the counter in most of the world, certainly pre-2020.

It is the #1 most used medication in India, the second most populous nation on the planet with 1.3 billion people.

There has never been an allegation that HCQ is not safe until 2020.

Speaking generally, HCQ or its progenitor CQ, was freely available over the counter in most of the world Africa, Asia, South America, even Canada and Mexico, prior to Covid.

Yes HCQ has been used around the world for years.....it is a medication to fight malaria. It is also used to treat Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis, and Porphyria Cutanea Tarda. It's brand name is Plaquenil.
It has been tried to combat the effects of COVID 19 but all clinical trials have demonstrated it's INEFFECTIVENESS.
Because it is a common drug used in Africa and other countries they assumed that possibly it could be why there are low cases of COVID 19 there, it was thought one of the common denominators was that HCQ was in regular use for Malaria....but it was found not to be the case through clinical trials. Africa's low cases MAY be attributed to a very young population or possibly lack of properly keeping track of actual cases. As of yet, no one knows.
If there is an allegation of HCQ not being "safe", it is solely related to the COVID 19 trials and studies relating to it's ineffectiveness against THIS coronavirus and needlessly creating side effects for something that doesn't work.
 

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The question I would have for the decision makers would be why not do the quarantine then for those coming in from abroad, some restrictions for everyone else instead of a lockdown? From what I understood the equivalent of one of our provinces was put into lockdown - maybe I'm incorrect in my understanding.
Lockdown for the general public just seems to have a lot of other risks tied into it.
There are many cases that don't fall under the category of "travel" from abroad. In Alberta 43% with COVID have no known source.....
 

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People should be getting whatever Trump got to help him recover quickly. I don't think it was HCQ - that was actually proven ineffective. Obese men like Trump in their mid seventies - but from the general US population - generally wouldn't have recovered so well - and they have been among those who've had higher death rates from this disease.
Remdesivir has been approved in Canada for Covid 19 patients:

 

Waterfall

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This is a good app for Covid cases in Ontario. It gives a daily count for active cases, deaths and how many in ICU and how many on ventilators.
As you scroll down it also tells how many nursing/retirement homes in Ontario HAD a Covid outbreak.....deaths and recovered
And also which homes have current outbreaks.
It is updated daily.

 
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Kimmio, what would you think if the mainlanders and maybe Albertan and Ontarians would be flooding your island on weekends because there are no restrictions ?
I wouldn't like that. We need those restrictiond. Bonnie Henry is thinking about imposing stricter limits on gatherings all over BC though, because there's been outbreaks at gatherings on the mainland. If she imposes strict limits on restaurants again and it's not regionally specific, it won't help anything on the Island.
 

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Yes HCQ has been used around the world for years.....it is a medication to fight malaria. It is also used to treat Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis, and Porphyria Cutanea Tarda. It's brand name is Plaquenil.
It has been tried to combat the effects of COVID 19 but all clinical trials have demonstrated it's INEFFECTIVENESS.
Because it is a common drug used in Africa and other countries they assumed that possibly it could be why there are low cases of COVID 19 there, it was thought one of the common denominators was that HCQ was in regular use for Malaria....but it was found not to be the case through clinical trials. Africa's low cases MAY be attributed to a very young population or possibly lack of properly keeping track of actual cases. As of yet, no one knows.
If there is an allegation of HCQ not being "safe", it is solely related to the COVID 19 trials and studies relating to it's ineffectiveness against THIS coronavirus and needlessly creating side effects for something that doesn't work.
There are concerns otherwise too. Like almost any drug, there are potential side effects and for that one they can be pretty severe. For people who use it for things like lupus they do tend to have their heart and eyes monitored and some stop it as the harm isn't worth the benefit. For others, they have to put up with the harmful effects due to the benefit they get from it.
If there's no or minimal benefit, the risk of harm isn't worth it IMO.
 

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Kimmio, what would you think if the mainlanders and maybe Albertan and Ontarians would be flooding your island on weekends because there are no restrictions ?
That aspect is tough. How many Calgarians and Edmontonians are going to be having wedding receptions outside of the cities?
 

ChemGal

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There was no lockdown until the quarantine failed. If NSW had not stuffed up the cruise ship arrivals - and Victoria the overseas flights quarantine - there would have been no need for lockdown.
Some might see it as an over-reaction -but when you are an island continent you have a very good chance - more so than most countries - of keeping infection numbers to a minimum. This is what we have now done -and now lockdown is over due to it's success. From an Aussie perspective I I would rather put up with the inconvenience of a lockdown and have more of my fellow elderly and vulnerable citizens survive.

The government has supported those in employment -and the unemployed - with wage subsidies.
Financially, despite this, it's the younger folks (not retired like me) who have had to sacrifice so much financially. I hope when this is over we oldies will remember this, and the sacrifices the younger member of our country have made for our health, and support programmes that benefit them.
It's not just the financial aspect though. There's physical health harms, mental health harms, I'm sure there are deaths due to lockdown, etc. It's a question of where that optimal result overall comes out - not just best for number of COVID cases.
I don't know exactly where that optimal result is. I would go for restrictions before lockdown though. Here, I think we had a pretty good balance earlier in the year with what we knew although I do think more could have been done to limit some types of travel/monitor those coming in. Now I see frivolous things being granted at the expense of health here and I don't think the best decisions are being made. I wouldn't support a lockdown though.
 

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That aspect is tough. How many Calgarians and Edmontonians are going to be having wedding receptions outside of the cities?

When the idea of regional lockdowns was raised in BC, Dr Henry said they were a bad idea for this reason. We are a mobile society. How can regional restrictions be effective?
 

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When the idea of regional lockdowns was raised in BC, Dr Henry said they were a bad idea for this reason. We are a mobile society. How can regional restrictions be effective?
I don't mind some of the aspects to regional restrictions and think they can work. It seemed to work for Calgary when they were considered a hot spot without seeing outward spread. The gathering aspect though, I can see that moving to areas just around. I think if it was no indoor & outdoor to the city, so no to indoor gatherings in the surrounding areas or something like that to at least buffer it a bit.
 

Mrs.Anteater

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When the idea of regional lockdowns was raised in BC, Dr Henry said they were a bad idea for this reason. We are a mobile society. How can regional restrictions be effective?
That is a problem that Germany has. There are lots of different regional restrictions and it would require daily research to make sure one is always updated if one travels around a lot. There are calls to make it the same for all of Germany, those are comingfrom the most affected areas, but the less affected areas are against taking over their more restrictive rules.
 

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If there is an allegation of HCQ not being "safe", it is solely related to the COVID 19 trials and studies relating to it's ineffectiveness against THIS coronavirus and needlessly creating side effects for something that doesn't work.
Where can I find those peer reviewed studies please?
This is what I am finding ...
 
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We went out for a very nice dinner last night. Best table in the place, next to the fireplace. I was using a gift card from my son that he gave me for my birthday.

Anyway, we have some other cards for other restaurants. One of our favourite ones, a Calgary icon, is closed.

So just a thought, if you have gift cards for restaurants, maybe think about using them up before the next lockdown. There is a good chance they may never open again.
 

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When the restaurants were closed to dining in here we ordered take-out from our favourite local Greek restaurant to support them. We went to eat there when they were able to have dine in service again. We do need to particularly support local small businesses when we can
 

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When the restaurants were closed to dining in here we ordered take-out from our favourite local Greek restaurant to support them. We went to eat there when they were able to have dine in service again. We do need to particularly support local small businesses when we can
Yeah, we've been getting takeout from our two favorite local places. One Viet-Thai and one Chinese. The Viet-Thai is still takeout-only, I think. The Chinese is open for dining but almost no one eats in. The Chinese community are more diligent about distancing than many others and that's a big chunk of their business (they have the only dim sum in town right now).
 
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