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We are also starting a lawsuit to the State of the Netherlands to bring this in with a large group of doctors and a really large group of nurses also, because we have contact with 87,000 nurses that do not want the vaccine that is being prepared for us.

The panic is caused by these false positive PCR tests. 89 to 94% of these PCR tests are false positive. They don’t test for the COVID-19.

Medical doctors need to stop looking at those tests. Let’s go back to the clinics and the facts.
Reta, please do not quote me out of context.
 

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Sometimes it helps to have more than one source.
Seems to me, it was a matter of resources, not Covid.
 

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I wouldn’t do that Kimmio. Reaching multiple hands into the container would not help

if you think kids will come by your door, I would have a bowl of treats, maybe a sign that says stand here six feet back from the door. Or little foot prints

then you can toss the treats to the kiddies And wear your mask. Maybe a witches hat too ( people have organized using a piece of PVC pipe to dispense the treats too which is a fun idea)

it will be up to parents to disinfect treats if they want. If people still do for groceries , I would think they might
Just leaves the problem with all of them ringing your doorbell or knocking on the door. Unless you are staying outside 5e whole time. This solution only works with height difference.
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I wouldn’t do that Kimmio. Reaching multiple hands into the container would not help

if you think kids will come by your door, I would have a bowl of treats, maybe a sign that says stand here six feet back from the door. Or little foot prints

then you can toss the treats to the kiddies And wear your mask. Maybe a witches hat too ( people have organized using a piece of PVC pipe to dispense the treats too which is a fun idea)

it will be up to parents to disinfect treats if they want. If people still do for groceries , I would think they might
The front door belongs to the landlords. They might go out for dinner. I haven't been invited upstairs to hand out candy. The door arrangement for my suite is a bit weird, not great for Halloween. I'll probably keep my front window lights off I guess.
 

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You could have some fun and dress up in your scooter and give out on the sidewalk
 

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Reta, please do not quote me out of context.
Right ... I will leave the quoting out of context to you then ... your 'contextual' translation of a German News Broadcast? brought up the Netherlands ...

Sometimes it helps to have more than one source?
Seems to me, it was a matter of resources, not Covid.
Would 'normally' be taken to Melbourne does not factor into it then?
So all the deaths around nursing homes and lack of hospital resources ... not Covid?
 

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.. your 'contextual' translation of a German News Broadcast?
You asked for a source. If you speak German , you would have understood the source, as it was said in the German news. If you don't understand German, the problem is yours, not mine. I am sure you likely could find the info somewhere else, except the interview with the nurse, not likely to be translated anywhere else.
 

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Right ... I will leave the quoting out of context to you then ... your 'contextual' translation of a German News Broadcast? brought up the Netherlands ...

Sometimes it helps to have more than one source?

Would 'normally' be taken to Melbourne does not factor into it then?
So all the deaths around nursing homes and lack of hospital resources ... not Covid?
Your quote said that they died because they would not let them in because of restrictions. My source says they died because there was not a timely transportation available. In our hospital, that would be a helicopter, who knows what it would be in Victoria, maybe an ambulance. Yes, and it might very well be that the ambulance wasn’t timely because it was busy with covid patients. Even more reasons to restrict people’s socializing and wearing masks, so the cases needing ambulances are fewer.
 

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Yes, and it might very well be that the ambulance wasn’t timely because it was busy with covid patients. Even more reasons to restrict people’s socializing and wearing masks, so the cases needing ambulances are fewer.
Yes and it might very well be that if any of these children that died belonged to the Prime Minister or 'Dictator Dan and/or their 1st priority 'relations' there would be no restrictions ... one way or another. But have it your way own way ... by all translations necessary.
 

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There are some pretty good guidelines for Alberta for trick or treating, the thing is, I just don't see that possible in this neighbourhood with the numbers - a nearby street normally gets over 1000 kids, last year counts were in the 2000s. One of the guidelines is to only trick or treat within a cohort, keep distance from others. When there's not a lot of kids out, doable, in this neighbourhood? Unless a huge portion of children end up not going out, it's just too crowded. Even though I don't get close to the number of kids here, quite a few run past my section of the street and even more tend to go down the perpendicular street that crosses my section but even here with less than 1/10 of the kids coming to my door there would be times it would be difficult for cohorts to stay distanced.
If I lived in an area that didn't have a pretty high density of children, I might consider doing the pre-arranged bags on the table while hanging out in the garage type of thing. Here I could probably hand out in a way that wouldn't be an immediate risk. I just simply don't support it happening in the neighbourhood this year though, I don't think it's safe as a community. I hope many choose not to participate and I will give out some candy to some households before Halloween, they can do what they want with it - maybe 'trick or treat' going bedroom to bedroom (with my former neighbours will a large household), scavenger hunts like I know some families are planning, etc.

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Sometimes it helps to have more than one source.
Seems to me, it was a matter of resources, not Covid.
It always helps to have more than one source. I'd go even further - it helps to have sources that take a different viewpoint. It helps with a critical analysis.

More and more folks read -not to understand - but with the aim "this article agrees with me". This leads to more division and less understanding and empathy. (Humans tend to resist even the possibility of cognitive dissonance).

It seems to me that the South Australian state is under resourced when it comes to its health service - by having to rely on another state for some of its health requirements. Clearly, this is a tragedy that may have been prevented with more funding.

The lockdown in Victoria is being lifted tonight -due to it's success at reducing the number of covid infections with improved tracing. Hopefully, this will lead to all Aussie states being open to each other. Victoria and NSW are the states that other states have closed their borders to at present. Victoria and NSW have had the greatest number of covid cases -and the other states wanted to limit their numbers.
 

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*sigh* Update today a lot of questions about the AUPE strike - that's not connected to what Hinshaw does. Funny how sometimes there have been multiple people answering questions depending on what they were but not today.
We finally have new restrictions 15 max for informal social gatherings. Not enough IMO.
 

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It always helps to have more than one source. I'd go even further - it helps to have sources that take a different viewpoint. It helps with a critical analysis.

More and more folks read -not to understand - but with the aim "this article agrees with me". This leads to more division and less understanding and empathy. (Humans tend to resist even the possibility of cognitive dissonance).

It seems to me that the South Australian state is under resourced when it comes to its health service - by having to rely on another state for some of its health requirements. Clearly, this is a tragedy that may have been prevented with more funding.

The lockdown in Victoria is being lifted tonight -due to it's success at reducing the number of covid infections with improved tracing. Hopefully, this will lead to all Aussie states being open to each other. Victoria and NSW are the states that other states have closed their borders to at present. Victoria and NSW have had the greatest number of covid cases -and the other states wanted to limit their numbers.
I had asked earlier, never saw a response, what restrictions were tried before doing a lockdown? From the limited news I did see it didn't seem like a balanced approach was tried, but I may be lacking a fair bit of info on that.
 

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It seems to me that the South Australian state is under resourced when it comes to its health service - by having to rely on another state for some of its health requirements. Clearly, this is a tragedy that may have been prevented with more funding.

Yes, it is quite enlightening what essential flaws in various care systems have been exposed by this pandemic. The situation in long-term care facilities, particularly in Ontario and Quebec, has been sadly illuminating.
 

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I had asked earlier, never saw a response, what restrictions were tried before doing a lockdown? From the limited news I did see it didn't seem like a balanced approach was tried, but I may be lacking a fair bit of info on that.
Australia has a natural advantage -being an island continent.

With the first wave, NSW was the worst affected - from returning cruise ships when the appropriate steps weren't taken We learnt from that original error -and quickly shut down our national borders to overseas travelers. (People had to stay in mandatory quarantine for two weeks in hotels.) This was successful in NSW because appropriate people were used - the military and police.) However, in Victoria quarantine responsibility was given to private security companies -who didn't have the appropriate training. It got out of hand very quickly -and the virus spread into the community. This then spread to workers in aged care facilities who infected many elderly -who died.

Even today, most new infections are to found in overseas travelers returning home - thus, it seems logical to put those returning by air or ships (the only way) into mandatory quarantine for two weeks.

Believe me, with such comparatively low numbers, most are just relieved to be coming home -and are willing to put up with the inconvenience. That's not to day that there are always those who feel entitled that the world should revolve around their specific needs and grumble -despite realizing how fortunate they are to live in a part of the world with so low numbers of infections and deaths.
Quarantine is part of our history. When immigrants came in sailing ships they were quarantined -so as not to introduce serious illnesses. (sadly, when white settlement was first established there was no quarantine - and our aboriginals died from illnesses such as measles - a national shame!)
 

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Australia has a natural advantage -being an island continent.

With the first wave, NSW was the worst affected - from returning cruise ships when the appropriate steps weren't taken We learnt from that original error -and quickly shut down our national borders to overseas travelers. (People had to stay in mandatory quarantine for two weeks in hotels.) This was successful in NSW because appropriate people were used - the military and police.) However, in Victoria quarantine responsibility was given to private security companies -who didn't have the appropriate training. It got out of hand very quickly -and the virus spread into the community. This then spread to workers in aged care facilities who infected many elderly -who died.

Even today, most new infections are to found in overseas travelers returning home - thus, it seems logical to put those returning by air or ships (the only way) into mandatory quarantine for two weeks.

Believe me, with such comparatively low numbers, most are just relieved to be coming home -and are willing to put up with the inconvenience. That's not to day that there are always those who feel entitled that the world should revolve around their specific needs and grumble -despite realizing how fortunate they are to live in a part of the world with so low numbers of infections and deaths.
Quarantine is part of our history. When immigrants came in sailing ships they were quarantined -so as not to introduce serious illnesses. (sadly, when white settlement was first established there was no quarantine - and our aboriginals died from illnesses such as measles - a national shame!)
The question I would have for the decision makers would be why not do the quarantine then for those coming in from abroad, some restrictions for everyone else instead of a lockdown? From what I understood the equivalent of one of our provinces was put into lockdown - maybe I'm incorrect in my understanding.
Lockdown for the general public just seems to have a lot of other risks tied into it. Cure being worse than the disease type of situation.
 

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The limitation or outright ban on HCQ worldwide has begun to crack. It will soon collapse because the evidence of its safety and efficacy is so overwhelming.

Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) has been FDA approved for over 65 years and has been used billions of times throughout the entire world without restriction.

It is over the counter in most of the world, certainly pre-2020.

It is the #1 most used medication in India, the second most populous nation on the planet with 1.3 billion people.

There has never been an allegation that HCQ is not safe until 2020.

Speaking generally, HCQ or its progenitor CQ, was freely available over the counter in most of the world Africa, Asia, South America, even Canada and Mexico, prior to Covid.




 
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People should be getting whatever Trump got to help him recover quickly. I don't think it was HCQ - that was actually proven ineffective. Obese men like Trump in their mid seventies - but from the general US population - generally wouldn't have recovered so well - and they have been among those who've had higher death rates from this disease.
 
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There are growing requests from businesses in BC for Dr. Henry to look at implementing more regionally specific restrictions. Cases have gone up on the lower mainland, but here on Vancouver Island there has not been a note able increase in cases and no new deaths in awhile. I think there are seven active cases in this region. Fraser Health Authority has a weekly incidence of 26 cases per 100,000. Vancouver Island Health Authority only has a weekly incident rate of 0.9 per 100,000. Businesses around are starting to say "Yes, we know this is serious but let's be realistic."

This region is one big island and a bunch of small islands - still much smaller than Australia - but we also are able to stay more isolated due to geography. And because we are, I think it might make more sense for Dr.Henry to consider regionally specific guidelines. The guidelines for Surrey BC need not be the same as for Victoria or Nanaimo BC.
 
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