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Open letter - Docs4opendebate

Open letter from medical doctors and health professionals to all Belgian authorities and all Belgian media. September 5th 2020 We, doctors and health professionals, wish to express our serious concern about the evolution of the situation in the recent months surrounding the outbreak of the...
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BetteTheRed said:
You obviously think it's "wrong", but I have yet to see one single, solitary, positive suggestion from you. I am going to back away from this discussion; please don't respond; I'm finding "interacting" with you very unsuccessful.
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Rita, just don't. You're 95% of the way to my Ignore list, which is almost always absolutely empty. Go somewhere else and make a positive suggestion about SOMETHING. This is Bette the pissed off human reacting to what I'm beginning to think of as trolling, not Bette the Mod.
 
You can all put me on ignore ... it appears that there is only one side of the story allowed on this forum. The legal action being taken against the governments are real law cases ... not sure why I am not allowed to mention them. Seems that anyone that disagrees with the 'mandatory' part of the solution to managing this latest health crisis is not allowed to speak here.

No matter

Feel free to move my posts that are offensive here to the thread ...

COVID-19 and Skepticism with studies, orders, guidelines

Which I am assuming I am allowed to be Skeptical In.

Being that none of these threads are entitled Rita can only post if she has solutions thread ...
 
Victoria's lockdown, though unpopular in some quarters, has been a success from a medical standpoint.

From 725 daily cases the number is down to 13 new cases. As a consequence there has been a gradual removal of restrictions.

I read here that Mendalla stated that there are 700 cases in Ontario. Time for some short-term pain for long term gain?

So much for the police state nonsense.......
 
PilgrimsProgress said:
Victoria's lockdown, though unpopular in some quarters, has been a success from a medical standpoint.

From 725 daily cases the number is down to 13 new cases. As a consequence there has been a gradual removal of restrictions.

I read here that Mendalla stated that there are 700 cases in Ontario. Time for some short-term pain for long term gain?

So much for the police state nonsense.......
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That was yesterday, though we're still over 500 today.
 
Logic in a domain dedicated to emotions ... the emotional mode being observed to be often irrational ... and thus reason escapes us!

Can you tell me why?
 
And I would have liked someone here to have been in on the Zoom call I was on last night, with a delightful soon-to-be-91 year old who has been under partial and total lockdown in a Senior's Residence (not long term care) for months, and she's very happy. She has her own little private space, she gets regular, pleasant meals, she was able to get out for walks for much of the late summer, and she has AT LEAST one Zoom meeting a day, either for an exercise class or a Christianity discussion group, or private Zoom with her large family (most of whom are far away - Prairies and the U.S.). She's 'attending' a Zoom wedding in California this weekend! And a bunch of us are taking an on-line U of Alberta course about indigenous relations, so she's connected to another group of people engaging in that.

And Rita, that video is VERY deceptive. There are lockdowns in LTC and retirement homes every winter, often 2-6 weeks at a time, because of the danger of influenza. I know, because there were many winter weeks that I couldn't visit my mother in her 3 years in LTC. Dementia is a very painful thing to watch; and I think it quite cruel to video a woman in distress for no real purpose.

You're just fanning flames here, trying to get an emotional reaction, and I'm sick of it. I'd rather talk about the couple, married 60 years, separated by his Parkinson's. Every morning they meet via Zoom and do the cryptic crossword together, as they have done many mornings over those 60 years.
 
My mother has moved to a nursing home on Monday inBerlin Germany. First day they took a covid test, then after five days she has to have another negative one to then be allowed out with the other residents.
She said the day shift was wearing surgical masks only, the night shift didn’t wear a mask. Presently, no Covid in that or any other nursing home, but numbers in general are rising. She said, “ I really can’t think about it”.

When we have someone under quarantine from out of the country or Province ( admitted with some other diagnosis), despite negative covid result, we go the full two weeks with full PPE, face masks, gown, gloves.
 
Kindly define the words "global embarrassment". Have a look at the accompanying information to this post: Coronavirus Update (Live): 34,140,790 Cases and 1,018,064 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Is anyone doing this right? And I know that things are counted "differently"; I've got university-level stat courses in my background.

So, Australia has, currently, 35 deaths per million population. Canada has 246. So from a numbers pov, they're not doing badly. Also, Daily Mail; just saying that my English relatives, who are normal, moderately educated (think workers, not bosses), not posh, people, don't read that paper.
 
Policy makers would do well to remember the old adage: whatever can’t continue, won’t.

Recurring lockdowns are not sustainable, and so they won’t be sustained for much longer.

We have to learn to live with C19 not as an ongoing crisis but rather as a chronic low-level threat.

Sweden’s approach looks more and more to be the approach that works.
 
Ritafee said:
We have to learn to live with C19 not as an ongoing crisis but rather as a chronic low-level threat.
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And this virus is a similar one to the Spanish Flu pandemic which killed so many a century ago. Not a low-level threat, but the same sort of short-term, med-level threat.
 
Reasons not to make blithe comparisons between the current crisis and the 1918 pandemic:
the fact of stark differences in health care infrastructure and medical technology
the fact of ravages of the first world war
the fact of the unusual tendency of the 'Spanish flu' to kill young adults
the fact that many, if not most, people infected with influenza in 1918 died from secondary bacterial infections
the fact that mass-produced antibiotics did not yet exist
the fact that global fatality rate is just an average
the fact that the CFR of any pandemic varies immensely by age, population, and geography
the fact that during the 'Spanish flu' it ranged from less than 1 percent in some areas to 90 percent in one Alaskan village.
the fact that, despite some valid and instructive parallels between pandemics, there are many more differences.
the fact that we can’t use half-contrived statistics about a century-old pandemic to predict what will happen today
 
I saw this earlier, and it's been referenced again - How a park BBQ in Ottawa led to more than 100 people self-isolating

The mention and headline makes it sound like there was transmission at the BBQ. I'm not entirely certain what happened though, wonder if anyone in ON knows more?
To me it sounds like possibly 1 person contracted COVID-19 at the BBQ - but it seems more likely 2 people with COVID-19 from one household were at the BBQ. Others at the BBQ had to isolate, but no one actually tested positive outside of the 2. Other people did get sick, but at a workplace, daycare, etc. Not from the BBQ - yet this BBQ seems to keep being mentioned as the issue.

Another one, same BBQ - How a party in a park became a COVID-19 super-spreader event

I don't see how the BBQ is being considered the super-spreader event. An issue where people need to isolate afterwards? Sure. Seems more like the hospital retirement party that happened here, 1 person had the virus, everyone had to isolate afterwards. Not great for healthcare workers to not be at work due to a party. There wasn't actually spread at the party though.
 
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London's two assessment centres have been struggling to keep up. They just announced that only one will do walk-ins now, the other requires appointments. We are also getting 3 drugs stores taking swabs on an appointment basis. However, a person I know just told me you can get swabbed at the local indigenous reserve and it's fairly quick.

London only had 6 new cases today but the wave we had over the past couple weeks has left us with around 80 actives.
 
 
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