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Lastpointe said:
if we didn’t test people would be sick. They would infect others and more would get sick
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If people get sick they should have access to medical care ... and it appears that our health care system can not accommodate that ... this is nothing new.
 
Our health care system generally operates at more or less 100% capacity. A new disease that adds new cases on top of that 100% capacity is going to cause problems.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I'm just waiting for all of these kiddies in school to start spreading it to grandpa and grandma.
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Not all grandpas and grandmas are afraid of their 'kiddies' ... not all grandpas and grandmas want to be held prisoners in institutions ... not all grandmas and grandpas are willing to trade quality of life for an extra few months of solitary confinement and have their kiddies suffer as well. What is the average life expectancy in Canada and how many people that died with covid would have lived much longer than that without it?
 
BetteTheRed said:
Our health care system generally operates at more or less 100% capacity. A new disease that adds new cases on top of that 100% capacity is going to cause problems.
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So the problem is the health care system ... trading lives one way or another is the norm.
 
Garry just brought me home a lovely mask ... made at our local Epic Smile by residents that I used to have the honor of working for ... I got a plain black one and I will be keeping it with me at all times ... it is hanging on my ears right now and I love the way it covers my smile that I am very self conscious about. I will be wearing it in situations where I want to just smile out loud without inhibition.


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Edit: Come to think of it ... I may just take the opportunity of the normalcy of mask wearing to get my teeth pulled and get some 3D printed ones without anyone really noticing the transition. And then ... a big unmasking. I am going to get me some big supremely white ones!
 
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A healthcare system that routinely runs under 100% capacity is not very efficient, and I don't like my tax dollars thrown away unnecessarily. If Joe down the street has to wait another 2 months for his cataract surgery, well, I'm sorry, but sometimes things have to shift for other things.

People who need care are still getting care. My (former/whatever) old guy is getting his dialysis three times a week; he had a couple of mini-strokes a month ago and spent a week or so in hospital, albeit unvisited, but he talked to everyone on the phone once or twice a day, so he got by. I've got a spare tablet that I've considered giving him in case it happens again, so he could Zoom or similar, but not confident that he has the learning skills to figure it out anymore, I'm afraid.

And thanks for the post about the masks, Rita. Some lovely ones; and a good design; up over the nose but down the cheeks a bit so that glasses don't fog, and proper cotton. I've got two masks from No Frills, and both are jersey, which is both warmer, and more porous, than quilting cotton.
 
BetteTheRed said:
A healthcare system that routinely runs under 100% capacity is not very efficient, and I don't like my tax dollars thrown away unnecessarily.
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That is too funny considering that your government that you voted for is not working and still getting paid 'royally' with your tax dollars.
 
Ritafee said:
Physician billing codes in response to COVID-19

Virtual care services account for most new provincial and territorial physician billing codes created in response to the COVID-19 pandemic
July 3, 2020 — In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, provincial and territorial governments and medical associations moved rapidly to adapt the physician fee schedules to meet the emerging needs of physicians and their patients during the crisis, especially for virtual care services.
CIHI has monitored changes to the fee schedules, which include new billing codes, modified fees, updated practice guidelines designed to support public health measures, income stabilization and several other modifications. Each jurisdiction in Canada has implemented some of these changes, and many similarities exist from one jurisdiction to the next.
In most cases, the codes are temporary and will exist for the duration of the pandemic. The exception is Alberta, which recently announced that the COVID-19 codes will be a permanent feature of its fee schedule. CIHI will continue to monitor the fee schedules on a monthly basis and will update the information in the table as it changes.
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Haha, you realize those fee schedules are phone appointments for people who do not have covid, but other diseases. If you haven’t used it yet, it it the best invention ever. You actually just get a call from you doctor instead of having to wait in a waiting room for things like prescriptions of medications you have been getting for 10 years.
And believe it or not- physicians are smart enough to figure out over the phone if they need to see you or not.
 
BetteTheRed said:
But you know why the death rate is flat? Most new cases are in young people. If LTC homes let down their guard and cases start to go up there, that's when you'll see a spike in deaths. I'm just waiting for all of these kiddies in school to start spreading it to grandpa and grandma.

The whole problem with "managing" a pandemic is that if you do it right, people get upset because there weren't more deaths, and they don't see the underlying "prevention".
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Also don’t forget that the health system now has learned from covid and knows a lot more about how to treat the more critical cases, which also affects the death rate. Another theory I have read, is that the wearing of masks lowers the severity of the disease, because you do not inhale the virus as deep as you would without mask. Smaller virus load is easier for your system to fight it, you might get away with sore throat instead of lung disease.
 
BetteTheRed said:
People who need care are still getting care.
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Canada failed to protect elderly in 1st wave of COVID-19 — will the same mistakes be made again?

Experts say federal government slow to act on national guidelines for long-term care

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the need for national standards of long-term care only became clear to his government following the devastation caused in the pandemic's first wave. (Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press)

As COVID-19 cases surge across Canada and outbreaks in nursing homes flare up once again, experts say vulnerable elderly populations are at extreme risk in the second wave due to a lack of government action.

Long-term care facilities bore the brunt of the first wave of the pandemic in Canada, with more than 70 per cent of deaths from COVID-19 occurring in those aged over 80, about twice the average of rates from other developed countries.

"That is one of the most damning failures that's taken place through the pandemic," said Dr. Andrew Boozary, executive director of health and social policy for Toronto's University Health Network.

"If we were going to be judged by how we protected our most susceptible and people who are structurally vulnerable — we failed them."

Dozens of COVID-19 outbreaks have recently been reported in nursing homes in Ontario, B.C., Alberta and Quebec as the second wave arrives in much of Canada.

In his address to the nation Wednesday night, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the situations experienced by "too many elders" in long-term care homes is "unacceptable."

"That has to change and it will change," he said. "We will be working with the provinces and territories to set new national standards on long-term care."

But Canada's systemic failures in long-term care are nothing new, and neither are the calls for action.

A July report from the Royal Society of Canada, an association that includes some of Canada's top scientists and scholars, described COVID-19 as "a shock wave that cracked wide all the fractures in our nursing home system." It called on the federal government to act "immediately" on creating national standards of care.

Months later, no concrete action has yet been taken, and the second wave of COVID-19 infections is well underway in previously hard-hit provinces, such as Ontario, B.C. and Quebec.

On Friday, Trudeau conceded during a press conference that problems in long-term care facilities "existed long before COVID-19."

Canadian Armed Forces personnel, along with hospital staff and some education workers, were among those brought in to assist long-term care homes during the first wave of the pandemic. A military report subsequently detailed abuse, neglect and cruelty inside nursing homes.

"The systems that we had were inadequate all across the country," he said. "They were not up to the task of protecting our seniors appropriately."

But experts question why the process of fixing those systemic issues has only now just begun.

"The writing is on the wall that this had to happen yesterday," said Boozary.

"To not ensure that every measure, every resource is in place to protect these families and their loved ones — to me is just damning, it's egregious."

The prime minister was quick to point out that long-term care is "very clearly a provincial jurisdiction," adding that the federal government was busy helping the provinces "get the situation under control" early in the pandemic.


"Whether it was sending in the military or the Red Cross or sending extra financial support to vulnerable health care workers, the federal government was busy acting," he said.

But BUT ... Trudeau also said the need for national standards of long-term care only became clear to his government after "conversations with Canadians and the provinces" following the devastation caused in the first wave of the pandemic.

Long-term care facilities unprepared for second wave

A group of major stakeholders in Ontario's long-term care system sent a 60-page letter to Ontario Premier Doug Ford and the ministers of both Health and Long-Term Care this week calling for "immediate action" to protect the health of residents, staff and family members.

"In the absence of these measures and support from government, Ontario's long-term care homes are not currently ready to manage a second wave of COVID-19," said the letter, which was first reported on by the Globe and Mail.


Dr. Anna Banerji, an infectious disease expert and faculty lead for Indigenous and refugee health at the University of Toronto, said she's not convinced Canadian long-term care homes have made the necessary changes to protect elderly residents in the second wave.

"We don't want to see the same kind of disasters that we were seeing in the spring where we had all these people dying and the people that were living were basically living in squalor," she said. "If that occurs again, it's a real failure."

Banerji said nursing homes need to ensure they have no more than one resident per room with individual access to their own bathroom, while staff should have adequate personal protective equipment and infection control training — something they lacked in the first wave.

Dr. Aisha Lofters, a family physician and researcher at Women's College Hospital in Toronto, said nursing homes also need to ensure staff aren't putting residents at unnecessary risk.

"In the early days, we saw a lot of people who were working in multiple long-term care homes, working part-time and casual, having to move from home to home to home," she said.

"We saw the devastating effects of that."

"Why would we allow this to happen in the second wave? The federal government has the ability to set that bar where it needs to be so that standard of care is met so that doesn't have to happen again."

Analysis
Leaving out long-term care was medicare's original sin — and we're paying for it now
 
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Sometimes. I refused a dermatology on-line consult when the dermatologist's person requested that I send in a photo of "the problem". I said, "oh, honey, this is bigger and different and life-long and it's not one thing, it's not one patch, and i have a gazillion possibly contradictory prescriptions for "these things"...

However, a nurse-practitioner consult is often more useful than a doctor consult, and usually way faster.
 
Admit it ... consulting with an authoritative tyrant is often time consuming ...

And doctors can be terrifying contacts for people like nurses that observe doctors with great care and worry! I've known some doctors like that ... hoo can induce emotional responses!
 
Ritafee said:
So this is a better way of doing it then?
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In some cases, yes. My regular medication I have been getting for 20 years and just need a yearly blood test for- I now do ‘t have to miss work to sit in an office to get a new prescription. My doctor calls me before I go to work and sends the consult directly to blood collection or the refill to the pharmacy. For another issue, she just had me come in for a physical and there was no full waiting room to catch any of the colds that might be going around.
 
Rita is sucking up too much energy with this

have to put her on ignore


she welcomes Her role as disruptor and spreading of conspiracies

it is too exhausting
 
Ritafee said:
That is too funny considering that your government that you voted for is not working and still getting paid 'royally' with your tax dollars.
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Rita, you're going to have to make some sort of logical argument here. You wiggle and squiggle away from points, make ridiculous hyperbolic or completely empty (as above) points. What is "not working"? How is it "my government"? Who says I voted for the party in power, provincially or federally?

I assume you're talking government response to the pandemic. You obviously think it's "wrong", but I have yet to see one single, solitary, positive suggestion from you. I am going to back away from this discussion; please don't respond; I'm finding "interacting" with you very unsuccessful.
 
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Legal Action Commencing Against the BC Government in Response to the Extreme Covid Measures.

Legal Action Commencing Against the BC Government in Response to the Extreme Covid Measures.
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Action4Canada, Announcement:
Legal Action Commencing Against the BC Government in Response to the Extreme Covid Measures.
September 17, 2020

On Saturday, September 13, 2020, Action4Canada and Vaccine Choice Canada together attended an event in Vancouver to announce the legal action against the BC government and the need to raise funds.


Shortly after Tanya Gaw began speaking and providing the details as to why legal action was needed, a gentleman approached her from behind and offered a handful of cash. This started a tsunami of giving and people just kept coming forward and contributing handfuls of money. It was an overwhelming act of generosity and a clear indication that people want justice and are desperate for someone to take action. Watch the video above as you do not want to miss this extraordinary moment.


Big shout out to Daniel for starting this wave of generosity. Thank you to Richard and Debbie for each giving a thousand dollars and then challenging others to do the same. Thank you to every single person who donated. Thank you also to the little girl who came up with a handful of $5 bills. It filled our hearts with joy.


This legal action impacts all Canadians.


Let us explain… the BC government passed Bill 19 on July 8th without public input or consultation. Bill 19 gives sweeping power to the government and eliminates liability for any injury that may have resulted from the extreme lockdown measures. Bill 19 gives the BC Lieutenant Governor, a federally appointed individual, “almost unlimited power.” In doing so, they are sidestepping debate in the legislature and thereby removing the authority of MLAs to speak on behalf of their constituents. This is in direct violation of the provincial legislative powers.


Bill 19 is setting a dangerous precedent for all other provinces. Ontario Premier Doug Ford passed a similar Bill (195) shortly after BC did. There is concern that the Prime Minister may be circumventing provincially elected representatives by making covert deals with premiers. If so, Trudeau is now gaining the power he failed to obtain back in March 2020, one province at a time.

To commence this legal action, Action4Canada has contacted a top constitutional lawyer. We have also united with Vaccine Choice Canada in order to have the greatest impact.

Vaccine Choice Canada commenced similar legal action on July 6, 2020 against the federal government, the Ontario provincial and municipal governments, as well as the CBC. Together, we are collaborating to send a clear message to all premiers and other leaders, that Canadians will not accept the “new normal.”

Approximately 3000 people attended the rally and remarkably we raised $13,831.92 in cash and another $10,000 via Action4Canada’s donation page as of Sept.16th!! People are continuing to donate. We have created a “Legal Action” page on our website and will be uploading videos and updates to keep everyone up to date on what is transpiring.

 
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