Singing in public spaces means people are bellowing out their potential virus particles in the aerosol of their breath at a greater volume, it travels a further distance, faster - and they’re doing it in unison. Wasn’t one of the first community outbreaks here in Canada because of a church choir? It’s sad for people used to singing in church, but necessary.
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Gone again. I was lurking and had to address Rita. I’m astonished at the level of stubborn refusal to see others’ rights besides hers. But she’s not the only one.
I can see griping a bit early on, because it was new, we hadn’t done this before in our lifetimes, but after what New York and other places have dealt with I don’t know how they can dig their heels and double down in on the anti mask stuff. It makes me mad because them doing that treads on other people, and just spurs on more crackdowns. The less people volunteer and the more they defy the more enforcement there will be...because the virus is real and it’s really killing a lot of people fast and leaving others permanently disabled.
I can see griping a bit early on, because it was new, we hadn’t done this before in our lifetimes, but after what New York and other places have dealt with I don’t know how they can dig their heels and double down in on the anti mask stuff. It makes me mad because them doing that treads on other people, and just spurs on more crackdowns. The less people volunteer and the more they defy the more enforcement there will be...because the virus is real and it’s really killing a lot of people fast and leaving others permanently disabled.
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BetteTheRed
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Yes, until there's a vaccine, herd immunity, no more public singing, inside, anyway. I'd like to see more work on meeting platform software where people could do music together without the lags, echoes, distortions.
Ritafee
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How will herd immunity work with a vaccine or even without one, when the longest they can tell immunity lasts is up to 4 months? People that have had COVID have been reinfected.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
The cult thrives on maintaining strict harmonious beliefs in attitude, opinions and behaviour; discord and dissonance are adverted at all costs to maintain a false dogma; truth propels the group deeper into pseudo-beliefs and truth-telling is defamed; the result – cognitive dissonance.
BetteTheRed
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Agreed. There might be adjustments. I think this will probably move the country towards self-checkouts.
It's not hurting my health. I am not enjoying making such an adjustment. There's a difference. My "feeling pleasure" or "not enjoying" something as an individual shouldn't dictate public policy.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
Masks don’t work according to science
Europe's Top Health Officials Say Masks Aren't Helpful in Beating COVID-19
Europe's Top Health Officials Say Masks Aren't Helpful in Beating COVID-19 | Jon Miltimore
A scientific look at the mask fallacy – and why we’re told to wear them
A scientific look at the mask fallacy - and why we’re told to wear them - UncoverDC
Masks Don't Work: A review of science relevant to COVID-19 social policy
http://ocla.ca/wp-content/uploads/2...ont-work-review-science-re-COVID19-policy.pdf
Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy
Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy
Face Masks Have Put Us In A State
Face Masks Have Put Us In A State
This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection.
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/bmjopen/5/4/e006577.full.pdf
Surgical face masks were originally introduced to protect patients from wound infection and contamination from surgeons (the wearer) during surgical procedures, and were later adopted to protect healthcare workers against acquiring infection from their patients. However, most of the existing evidence on the filtering efficacy of face masks and respirators comes from in vitro experiments with nonbiological particles which may not be generalizable to infectious respiratory virus droplets. There is little information on the efficacy of face masks in filtering respiratory viruses and reducing viral release from an individual with respiratory infections, and most research has focused on influenza.
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Do masks - masks and sunglasses - obscure facial recognition technology? That was the argument against face coverings such as hijabs a few years ago. And face coverings like guy fawkes masks and bandanas at protests were banned in some places, too. Trump probably doesn’t like the masks because of of the little bit of anonymity and freedom they give people, and his henchmen will have you believe it’s something else, because he’s a con artist...and the propaganda enters through libertarian portals.
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We know theyre not foolproof...no one thinks they are.....but they can help and further up thread I posted how they now have proof that they can help ....in other words its why theyre pushing masks more now because we have little defence other than social distancing and masks help somewhat.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.10...wFmsHciaxc62Vxm7gQ6pG7fCXYBc5yx08IXSmtP6AlY5s
Dr. Jenny Harries, England's deputy chief medical officer, has warned that it was not a good idea for the public to wear facemasks as the virus can get trapped in the material and causes infection when the wearer breathes in.
Reusing masks may increase your risk of coronavirus infection, expert says
cloth face coverings are completely ineffective in preventing viral transmission, and can actually increase your risk of bacterial respiratory infection. We know that viral particles that are exhaled gather on the OUTSIDE of masks instead of the inside, enhancing the risk of cross contamination and viral transmission, especially considering that viruses live drastically longer on cloth than they do on skin. We know that face coverings increase the instances that a person touches their face and/or covering due to readjustments, releasing increased moisture buildup and because face coverings increase nasal drainage which can be another mode of transmission all on its own. We understand that cross contamination is a real danger when face coverings are not donned and doffed or laundered properly. We take into account the negative health effects of facial coverings on comorbidities (increases tachycardia, induces hypoxia, increases co2 reabsorption, may stimulate feelings of anxiety/claustrophobia due to inadequate gas exchange, ect). The World Health Organization has spoken out against universal masking for these exact reasons, and OSHA has stated that only those employees deemed to be high risk or in high risk fields should be masked. The science is very clear that universal masking is contraindicated, yet those of us who choose to rely on science are demonized and cast to the fringes of society as public enemy number one.
Many of us are asking how, and more importantly, why, this happened in an otherwise seemingly reasonable society that respects an individual's right to bodily autonomy, especially considering that numerous studies have indicated that Covid19 has a similar if not slightly lower fatality rate than the seasonal flu and we don’t mask during flu season.
Masks and respirators do not work.
There have been extensive randomized controlled trial (RCT) studies, and meta-analysis reviews of RCT studies, which all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses, or respiratory illnesses believed to be transmitted by droplets and aerosol particles.
Furthermore, the relevant known physics and biology, which I review, are such that masks and respirators should not work. It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective dose is smaller than one aerosol particle.
The present paper about masks illustrates the degree to which governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lockdown of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history.
AND... one more. We need science before mandates.
https://www.drbrownstein.com/we-mus...oxh9lq_oz-r8acwn-zoexkpu558tvy8npskv9owcg8gsi
This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks.
A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers - PubMed
The science supports the stance of NOT wearing masks.
Dr. Jenny Harries, England's deputy chief medical officer, has warned that it was not a good idea for the public to wear facemasks as the virus can get trapped in the material and causes infection when the wearer breathes in.
Reusing masks may increase your risk of coronavirus infection, expert says
cloth face coverings are completely ineffective in preventing viral transmission, and can actually increase your risk of bacterial respiratory infection. We know that viral particles that are exhaled gather on the OUTSIDE of masks instead of the inside, enhancing the risk of cross contamination and viral transmission, especially considering that viruses live drastically longer on cloth than they do on skin. We know that face coverings increase the instances that a person touches their face and/or covering due to readjustments, releasing increased moisture buildup and because face coverings increase nasal drainage which can be another mode of transmission all on its own. We understand that cross contamination is a real danger when face coverings are not donned and doffed or laundered properly. We take into account the negative health effects of facial coverings on comorbidities (increases tachycardia, induces hypoxia, increases co2 reabsorption, may stimulate feelings of anxiety/claustrophobia due to inadequate gas exchange, ect). The World Health Organization has spoken out against universal masking for these exact reasons, and OSHA has stated that only those employees deemed to be high risk or in high risk fields should be masked. The science is very clear that universal masking is contraindicated, yet those of us who choose to rely on science are demonized and cast to the fringes of society as public enemy number one.
Many of us are asking how, and more importantly, why, this happened in an otherwise seemingly reasonable society that respects an individual's right to bodily autonomy, especially considering that numerous studies have indicated that Covid19 has a similar if not slightly lower fatality rate than the seasonal flu and we don’t mask during flu season.
- Heather Leigh, RN
Masks and respirators do not work.
There have been extensive randomized controlled trial (RCT) studies, and meta-analysis reviews of RCT studies, which all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses, or respiratory illnesses believed to be transmitted by droplets and aerosol particles.
Furthermore, the relevant known physics and biology, which I review, are such that masks and respirators should not work. It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective dose is smaller than one aerosol particle.
The present paper about masks illustrates the degree to which governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lockdown of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history.
AND... one more. We need science before mandates.
https://www.drbrownstein.com/we-mus...oxh9lq_oz-r8acwn-zoexkpu558tvy8npskv9owcg8gsi
This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks.
A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers - PubMed
The science supports the stance of NOT wearing masks.
Everyone should clean or change masks often.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
From that same article:
The point to remember is all the properly conducted studies – randomized, controlled trials with verified outcomes – all say there is no statistical evidence of a benefit in terms of reducing risk of getting a viral respiratory disease.
But also remember the story about the bear. When weapons are available to fend off the bear but people are either ignorant about them or told not to use them, people die unnecessarily.
Health care workers wear masks around Covid patients all the time, and yet health care workers get infected. Tragically, some states have banned doctors from prescribing the Zelenko Protocol, and worse yet, some doctors don’t even know it exists. This is a travesty, because even health care workers are dying unnecessarily.
It makes zero sense to hide behind a mask when tools for fending off the bear are readily available – but aren’t being used.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
So all in all ... you do have a choice and you have chosen. I also have a choice and I have chosen. We are both individuals with choices of our own to make. I respect yours and you respect mine?
Many of the healthcare workers that died were not given proper PPE as you may remember and if they did have some they were reused many times.
It was quite the wake up call how ill prepared we were.
The bear analogy is a bad one.....you can't see a virus.
Do they help cut down the impact of tear gas and pepper spray - the kind that that federal officers used on peaceful protesters?
ChemGal
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The vaccine will be different than an infection. Adjuvants can help. I can see a good chance multiple doses will be needed and not just 1 injection.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country… We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.”
—Edward Bernays, Propaganda, 1928