Making All Things New: (Revelation 21: 1-8)

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Waterfall said:
I was thinking it was the Greeks that said it was the soul that goes to heaven and then 1 Corinthians says the body and soul dies but the spirit goes to God.
It's all over the place.....
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OMG!!! I don't think I can cope with the spirit and the soul being separate concepts.
 
Waterfall said:
I was thinking it was the Greeks that said it was the soul that goes to heaven
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The soul does go to the afterlife in Greek mythology, just not "heaven" in the Christian sense.

Another thing to keep in mind with Greek and Roman religion is that there was not really "doctrine". Everyone followed the same basic set of beliefs, but there was lots of wiggle room. Three different writers could have three different takes on the same story. New ideas and deities could be added easily with little to no upset, as happened in Rome with Isis, Cybele, and Mithras. Christianity's downfall, arguably, was its insistence on exclusivity. If they could have followed Jesus and still made sacrifices to the emperor and participated in rites of the traditional Roman religion, they might have been accepted.
 
NT scholars agree that the trrichotomy body, soul, and spirit don't refer to separate pstts of the self, but rather are ways of discussing the self from different perspectives. The "spirit" (pneuma) is the self in relation to God, the self that survives death, The psyche"(soul) refers to "person, emotion."
 
Mystic said:
NT scholars agree that the trrichotomy body, soul, and spirit don't refer to separate pstts of the self, but rather are ways of discussing the self from different perspectives. The "spirit" (pneuma) is the self in relation to God, the self that survives death, The psyche"(soul) refers to "person, emotion."
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Glad these scholars can agree on this. It's all as clear as mud to me.
 
Mendalla said:
Christianity's downfall, arguably, was its insistence on exclusivity. If they could have followed Jesus and still made sacrifices to the emperor and participated in rites of the traditional Roman religion, they might have been accepted.
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Interesting to consider that here in North America, many of the indigenous people were initially willing to incorporate Jesus into their spiritual lives. Jesus was pretty much an add-on & not a replacement for their existing spirituality

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Mendalla said:
The soul does go to the afterlife in Greek mythology, just not "heaven" in the Christian sense.

Another thing to keep in mind with Greek and Roman religion is that there was not really "doctrine". Everyone followed the same basic set of beliefs, but there was lots of wiggle room. Three different writers could have three different takes on the same story. New ideas and deities could be added easily with little to no upset, as happened in Rome with Isis, Cybele, and Mithras. Christianity's downfall, arguably, was its insistence on exclusivity. If they could have followed Jesus and still made sacrifices to the emperor and participated in rites of the traditional Roman religion, they might have been accepted.
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The emperor cult required sacrifice to the emperor as a god, "savior" and "lord--" a red line for early Christians. But most Romans didn't believe the emperor was really a god and didn't care whether their subject nations believed this either. The emperor cult was more akin to the modern American Pledge of Allegiance to secure the loyalty of subjects.
 
As an aside, I found it extremely interesting that the coronation of King Charles III was a religious ceremony.
 
paradox3 said:
May this belief bring you comfort and hope.
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I will take that in the positive sense and not as damning with faint praise :3

(of course, I don't know what is going to happen until it happens -- I might end up in Gehenna, or when I get to Heaven Megaera might have other concerns lol)

I am so glad most of the world is ok with the afterlife

And that we super rational over sciencers have scientifically shown consciousness persists after death

woo hoo!


paradox3 said:
OMG!!! I don't think I can cope with the spirit and the soul being separate concepts.
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*chuckle* I would advise staying away from Egyptian metaphysics then...your head will implooie
 
paradox3 said:
As an aside, I found it extremely interesting that the coronation of King Charles III was a religious ceremony.
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well of course it was
meaning and purpose best happen that way
also religion is still the best way to increase kinship circle...
rationalism etc doesn't do that, not its purpose (thus why say progressive architecture tends to be ugly and the new ways of giving us sustainable energy also tends to be ugly...aesthetics aren't rational and are a waste of optimal effort, unlike religion where aesthetics are integral to it imho)
 
And as for where Heave "is", why don't we go through scripture to find oot all the different "wheres" Heaven "is"?

Multiple views are the best, multiple views that can be as equally true are the Plus Ultra :3
 
Delightful Life said:
And as for where Heave "is", why don't we go through scripture to find oot all the different "wheres" Heaven "is"?

Multiple views are the best, multiple views that can be as equally true are the Plus Ultra :3
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Sure. Go ahead and search and let us know what you discover
 
Waterfall said:
Well he is the supreme governor of the church of England( Anglican) and the ArchBishop of Canterbury the head cleric of the church. So it seemed okay for me.
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Yes of course. He has a dual role as the head of the Church of England and the sovereign of the country.
 
Paul "was caught up into Paradise and heard things that are not to be told, that, no mortal is permitted to repeat (2 Corinthians 12:4)."
Paul does not mean an angel told him, "Let's just keep these fantastic displays as our little secret." He means that his vision is so wondrous that words cannot do it justice:

"As it is written, no eye has seen, nor ear heard, neither has it entered human imagination the things God has prepared for those who love Him (1 Corinthians 2:9)."
“What your own eyes cannot see, your human ears do not hear, your physical hands cannot touch, and what is inconceivable to the human mind — that I will give to you!” (Gospel of Thomas 17)."
\In my next planned post I'll share how modern NDErs express the exquisitely inexpressible of the sights and sounds of Paradise.
 
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