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Pr. Jae said:
Thank you Seeler. Surely the vast majority of health care workers wouldn't have said anything close to similar lines. Maybe the one I met was just stressed. It was a very busy clinic.
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Honestly, it sounds like something I would say as a joke. And if it was, it was pretty good. I approve.

You have to look for tone or expression before assuming the worst about people.
 
chansen said:
Honestly, it sounds like something I would say as a joke. And if it was, it was pretty good. I approve.

You have to look for tone or expression before assuming the worst about people.
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I was there chansen. I heard the tone. Nuff said.
 
chansen said:
Honestly, it sounds like something I would say as a joke. And if it was, it was pretty good. I approve.

You have to look for tone or expression before assuming the worst about people.
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No doubt you would also find something funny to say about my tremor. I joke about it, but I think I might be quite sensitive about it if a stranger, especially a health care worker, dismissed me like that.
Some thing can be joked about - other things are hurtful. Some people don't know the difference.
 
Pr. Jae said:
Thank you Seeler. Surely the vast majority of health care workers wouldn't have said anything close to similar lines. Maybe the one I met was just stressed. It was a very busy clinic.
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One time while visiting my GP I relayed to her that I was feeling very suicidal ... "you do know that living isn't mandatory don't you?" She then threw a sample packet of antidepressants at me and said "here take these if you want to" ... I walked out of there enlightened ... my Dr was in way worse shape than I was ... I vowed to bring her flowers on my next visit.
In grade 10 physics ... I asked the instructor ... after class ... if he could clarify something for me ... "it's no skin off my ass if you pass or fail ... I get paid just the same ... but I don't get paid for over-time" was his response ... I got tutoring from the Principal who used to teach physics ... I passed and my instructor got paid just the same.
 
There's an assumption here that health care workers (or teachers) are some monolithic group of people who have to behave better than others, and I'd question that one. People are a**holes sometimes; I am an a**hole sometimes; you are an a**hole sometimes. And sometimes we find what we're looking for, even though we don't know what we're looking for.
 
BetteTheRed said:
There's an assumption here that health care workers (or teachers) are some monolithic group of people who have to behave better than others, and I'd question that one. People are a**holes sometimes; I am an a**hole sometimes; you are an a**hole sometimes. And sometimes we find what we're looking for, even though we don't know what we're looking for.
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My belief (call it an assumption if you must) is that public health workers who are being paid by the public to treat the public should be professional in how they speak to members of the public.
 
My assumption is ... I should never take it personally ... The Dr. in my story was overall the best doctor that I have ever had ... I just happened to walk into her office shortly after her husband had died (I did not know it at the time) ... the physics instructor on the other hand was later dismissed for putting in 'overtime' with one of my classmates ... I 'assume' ... I just wasn't his type.
 
Pr. Jae said:
My belief (call it an assumption if you must) is that public health workers who are being paid by the public to treat the public should be professional in how they speak to members of the public.
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Jae, I can understand where that could be upsetting, even if it was meant in good nature. Unfortunately, there was some truth behind it too I'm sure -liability becomes a thing. In the provincial exercise program I participated in, if someone fell they would not be helped up. We were warned about this so that hopefully people would take dizziness etc. seriously. If someone couldn't get up on their own, an ambulance would be called.

Similar policy for seizures and the vaccines I guess. It's outside their scope of practice when it's not a clinic to deal with a seizure. The joke was probably partially at policy.

@chansen jokes, but I think he's pretty good at know when he's laughing with someone and when it's at someone. He doesn't mind laughing at someone for stupidity, but when it comes to more sensitive stuff, I see compassion from him. He can read people as to when he can joke and back off when it's too far. Sometimes someone just says it before there's a chance to get that read on someone.
 
ChemGal said:
Jae, I can understand where that could be upsetting, even if it was meant in good nature. Unfortunately, there was some truth behind it too I'm sure -liability becomes a thing. In the provincial exercise program I participated in, if someone fell they would not be helped up. We were warned about this so that hopefully people would take dizziness etc. seriously. If someone couldn't get up on their own, an ambulance would be called.

Similar policy for seizures and the vaccines I guess. It's outside their scope of practice when it's not a clinic to deal with a seizure. The joke was probably partially at policy.

@chansen jokes, but I think he's pretty good at know when he's laughing with someone and when it's at someone. He doesn't mind laughing at someone for stupidity, but when it comes to more sensitive stuff, I see compassion from him. He can read people as to when he can joke and back off when it's too far. Sometimes someone just says it before there's a chance to get that read on someone.
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Well - like I said ChemGal - I feel asking me to go see my own doctor to get the shot was fine. I feel you're right - it's probably a matter of liability and such. What I found offensive was the comment saying it was fine for me to have a seizure - just not at their hands.
 
And what I'm saying is, that's a classic one-liner.

"Sir, dying is a perfectly acceptable option, just not on my watch." There are many variations. It's a simple formula joke where you shock the recipient and make them laugh as they realize you're not serious. It is best said in a deadpan voice. If I had to guess, I'd say they misread you, and you misread them.

And Seeler is always going to think the worst about me. That's fine.
 
Pinga said:
Had the shingles shot. I didn't pay for it and I am in Ontario. It was a few years ago, so maybe the pricing changed
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The chicken pox vaccine is covered now, but the shingles is not now (it's over $200 here in Ottawa - my drug plan will pay for it, but they recommend you be over 50 for some reason).

BTW - the flu virus shot is not a live virus which is why you can't get the actual flu from the flu virus but you can have a reaction that looks like a cold but you don't have influenza.

Jae I'm sorry the health worker said that to you. I had a similar thing said to me when I went to give blood about my Tourette's.

ETA: SHOT - the virus is obviously live but what's in the shot (injection) is not - it's one of the big messages they are trying to tell people here in Ottawa. Thanks to @ChemGal for catching that
 
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Justme said:
BTW - the flu virus is not a live virus which is why you can't get the actual flu from the flu virus but you can have a reaction that looks like a cold but you don't have influenza.
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lol at the typo. You mean the flu shot isn't live. I'll add the flu mist (nasal spray kinda method, I think there's some more official term for this route) is a live vaccine.
 
Justme said:
you can't get the actual flu from the flu virus
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At least you didn't actually mean this! There are some quacks out there who have lately been saying things like this. They don't believe that bacteria, viruses, etc. cause disease!
 
And I still missed it in a spot. I'll blame a really bad day, fatigue and the fact that vaccine is hard for me to spell but I can spell virus without thinking about it so my fingers took the lazy route :)
 
Scandal Exposed in Major Study of Autism and Mercury
2011-10-25, Sacramento Bee (Leading newspaper in California's capital city)

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http://www.sacbee.com/2011/10/25/4005040/scandal-exposed-in-major-study.html
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/10/25/4005040/scandal-exposed-in-major-study.html

Excerpt from the article:

The Coalition for Mercury-free Drugs (CoMeD) exposes communications between Centers for Disease Control (CDC) personnel and vaccine researchers revealing U.S. officials apparently colluded in covering-up the decline in Denmark's autism rates following the removal of mercury from vaccines. Documents obtained via the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) show that CDC officials were aware of Danish data indicating a connection between removing Thimerosal (49.55% mercury) and a decline in autism rates.

Despite this knowledge, these officials allowed a 2003 article to be published in Pediatrics that excluded this information, misrepresented the decline as an increase, and led to the mistaken conclusion that Thimerosal in vaccines does not cause autism. In Denmark, Thimerosal, a controversial mercury compound used as a preservative in certain vaccines, was removed from all Danish vaccines in 1992. The well-publicized Danish study published in Pediatrics 2003 claimed that autism rates actually increased after Thimerosal was phased out. This study subsequently became a cornerstone for the notion that mercury does not cause autism. However, one of the FOIA documents obtained from CDC clearly indicates that this study omitted large amounts of data showing autism rates actually dropping after mercury was removed from Danish vaccines.

Note: For the complete text of the article, which has been taken down from the Sacramento Bee website, click here
 
chansen said:
And what I'm saying is, that's a classic one-liner.

"Sir, dying is a perfectly acceptable option, just not on my watch." There are many variations. It's a simple formula joke where you shock the recipient and make them laugh as they realize you're not serious. It is best said in a deadpan voice. If I had to guess, I'd say they misread you, and you misread them.

And Seeler is always going to think the worst about me. That's fine.
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I can see that being used as a joke - although I honestly do not believe that it was that day. I can see humor in what you wrote above - but it is not a joke that I would ever tell to a person who actually was dying. Like they tell us so very often in seminary - context is everything.
 
chansen said:
And what I'm saying is, that's a classic one-liner.

"Sir, dying is a perfectly acceptable option, just not on my watch." There are many variations. It's a simple formula joke where you shock the recipient and make them laugh as they realize you're not serious. It is best said in a deadpan voice. If I had to guess, I'd say they misread you, and you misread them.

And Seeler is always going to think the worst about me. That's fine.
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Not always. I have occasionally complemented you on a thread (and you complemented me ONCE). But yes, I do find your comments are often intentionally hurtful.
 
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