I don't vaccinate my child because it's my right to determine which diseases come back

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Pr. Jae said:
(Thank you for your thoughts revsdd. The problem I find with the story you propose is that it makes Satan into the good guy - who came to tempt us out of instinct and into greater knowledge. And then what's a Savior for?)
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@Pr. Jae , the thread went back on topic. Can we please leave it that way and move this discussion to its own thread?
 
I worked a bit with government regulators and I will tell you that most are not pro-drug companies - they are very methodical in reviewing research, etc (in fact come under fire for not being quick enough often - look at the current debate on stem cell tourists). They still remember the thalimide victims (sorry my spelling is off) and, for the most part, are so dedicated it's pretty incredible. But everyone seems to wants fewer taxes so its hard for these scientists to keep up and it's hard to develop a replacement strategy for all the ones nearing retirement. You can see all the data on the Health Canada website.

I would definitely get the shingles vaccine - shingles is so very horrible. I would need to be tested first to see if I actually had chicken pox (I was told I had twice but it was an odd outbreak both times so we're not actually sure). It's about $250 for it here in Ontario but well worth it to avoid that kind of pain.

All medications and biologics carry risk - check out Tylenol in the Physician's desk reference - pages and pages of possibilities. Sometimes vaccines can cause injury but that doesn't mean that the majority of people (the vast, vast, vast majority) wouldn't benefit from it.
 
Justme said:
All medications and biologics carry risk - check out Tylenol in the Physician's desk reference - pages and pages of possibilities. Sometimes vaccines can cause injury but that doesn't mean that the majority of people (the vast, vast, vast majority) wouldn't benefit from it.
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I think everyone benefits to some extent to vaccines. Shingles is a bad example, but if others' stay up with say their pertussis vaccination, I, who have been told not to get anymore, will benefit by having a lower probability of coming into contact with it.
 
Pr. Jae said:
(Thank you for your thoughts revsdd. The problem I find with the story you propose is that it makes Satan into the good guy - who came to tempt us out of instinct and into greater knowledge. And then what's a Savior for?)
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No. It represents a loss of innocence. In any event, according to the story, Satan (well, the serpent) did tempt Eve to greater knowledge. The tree was called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Who has had/will get the shingles vaccine? Did it work for you?
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I've thought about it. In the last year or so I've known several seniors who had shingles -- some incapacitated and in pain for weeks. Our doctor thinks Seelerman had a very mild case - one or two painful spots on his side. But it is not covered by Medicare in this province and it is quite expensive (over $100). So we put it off and hope for the best.
 
Kimmio i wanted to respond to your post about being turned down for the flu shot

In general, you should avoid getting the flu shot when you are ill. I suspect your doc was being prudent. Getting a dose of a live virus when your body is currently struggling to overcome some sort of virus/bacterial infection already just outs a lot of unnecessary strain on your body.

As to the antibiotics. It is possible he/she had seen several patients with similar symptoms as you that week and felt you had the same bacterial infection. He/she also possibly thought antibiotics were useful to you simply because of your husbands earlier illness. Thinking he might to have spread a mild case to you, not wishing you to reinfect him.

I would just take them all and then go back and get the flu shot, though it is late in flu season now
 
I was turned down from getting the flu shot at a public health clinic because of my epilepsy.

The health worker told me it would be too risky - because I might have a seizure.

"Okay," I said, "I guess that's nice, that you don't want me to have a seizure."

"Actually," the worker responded, "We don't care if you have a seizure or not. We just don't want to be the ones to give it to you."
 
Perhaps you should try your doc for the flu shot next time recognizing that you have a condition that puts you out of the clinics parameters.
 
Lastpointe said:
Perhaps you should try your doc for the flu shot next time recognizing that you have a condition that puts you out of the clinics parameters.
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Yes - true - good point Lastpointe. Still - I cannot believe the insensitivity of the public health worker I encountered that day.
 
Is that not why they ask you to stay for 15 minutes after the shot? In case of an adverse reaction? However, if you have a condition that could be aggravated/triggered, it may be best to deal with your family doc anyway. Might save you some time standing in line, too, if clinics there are anything like the ones here.
 
Pr. Jae said:
I was turned down from getting the flu shot at a public health clinic because of my epilepsy.

The health worker told me it would be too risky - because I might have a seizure.

"Okay," I said, "I guess that's nice, that you don't want me to have a seizure."

"Actually," the worker responded, "We don't care if you have a seizure or not. We just don't want to be the ones to give it to you."
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Jae, I agree with you. That worker's remarks were uncalled for, unprofessional, rude and cruel.
 
Had the shingles shot. I didn't pay for it and I am in Ontario. It was a few years ago, so maybe the pricing changed
 
Pinga said:
Had the shingles shot. I didn't pay for it and I am in Ontario. It was a few years ago, so maybe the pricing changed
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When we got the shot for Little M (it is for the varicella virus that causes both chicken pox and shingles) I think you still had to pay but I thought it got added to the standard shots list after that.
 
Mendalla said:
Is that not why they ask you to stay for 15 minutes after the shot? In case of an adverse reaction? However, if you have a condition that could be aggravated/triggered, it may be best to deal with your family doc anyway. Might save you some time standing in line, too, if clinics there are anything like the ones here.
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Telling me that I'd be better off getting the shot from my own doctor is fair. Telling me they don't care if I have a seizure or not is a bit rough.
 
Seeler said:
Jae, I agree with you. That worker's remarks were uncalled for, unprofessional, rude and cruel.
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Thank you Seeler. Surely the vast majority of health care workers wouldn't have said anything close to similar lines. Maybe the one I met was just stressed. It was a very busy clinic.
 
Lastpointe said:
In general, you should avoid getting the flu shot when you are ill. I suspect your doc was being prudent. Getting a dose of a live virus when your body is currently struggling to overcome some sort of virus/bacterial infection already just outs a lot of unnecessary strain on your body.
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The flu shot isn't a live virus. Usually it's still given when you have a cold, the guideline is often whether or not someone has a fever.
 
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