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Why do Agnostics go to church?

Would it be to unravel the overwhelming sense of scepticism over what is not known for sure?

But one must expect that some are so proud that they will be exponential about what they'd like to tell you they know ... when it is obvious in most cases what they don't know ... what a come down as the nemesis goes ... like a storm! Expect consequential activity ...

Does excessive hubris rub off? Cautious of the Reubens ... the imagine may not appear as you thought ... miscomprehension ... is a violent and hostile domain things are like that ... only the thin essence escapes ... as a vapor --- Freud! Said to be an archetype ... just as a sigil ... something hidden!
 
Is th' aught comprehensive in the edifice, or superficial as it skips along over dah pool?

Will it rise in Eris as a dissonant article? Which person ... after 2, or 2 will something erupt as come 4th? Moe 'sis ... what was Ur name ... mir I am ... small ditty?

Some say nothing speak of and therein the Eire ... Tarah? It moves ... albeit dark and occult in Pantheon ... thus Pantha Raids ... high activity? There is on story that a man was wined to get him to succumb ... to Herold dead events ... they fell TU ide ... with durable membranes ...

For great times people disposed of what was occurring ... elimination eh? A dandy lye 'n out ... fuzzy? Divined sects ... some say defined ... and all that ...
 
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Luce NDs said:
Why do Agnostics go to church?
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Agnostics are not rejecting belief as, say, hard atheists do, only saying that religious matters are subjective personal matters. They could technically hold beliefs while still accepting that this beliefs are their own and not something they can expect others to hold or accept. Or, as we tend to mean colloquially by "agnostic" they could be seekers, holding to metaphysical uncertainty and living more in the questions than in finding firm, permanent answers. And there is a place for church in any of those understandings of "agnostic". If the agnostic believes there is.
 
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Agnostics are not rejecting belief as, say, hard atheists do, only saying that religious matters are subjective personal matters. They could technically hold beliefs while still accepting that this beliefs are their own and not something they can expect others to hold or accept. Or, as we tend to mean colloquially by "agnostic" they could be seekers, holding to metaphysical uncertainty and living more in the questions than in finding firm, permanent answers. And there is a place for church in any of those understandings of "agnostic". If the agnostic believes there is.
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Suppose you can get some of the pious to believe it ... they are like stoned ... will not alter anything.

Thus criminality remains worshipped at high positioning ... therein a point!
 
@wrdwrytr

Great writeup.

I think some schools and areas have done acceptance better than others, and a lot of that comes down to the students more than the teachers. I know that in my daughter's high school, acceptance is the norm now, and that has changed based largely on the students not putting up with bullies. My daughter has been a vocal advocate for LGBTQ+ students, ate lunch with a largely LGBTQ+ group and counts many among her closest friends.

My understanding is that the public schools in our area have done a much better job of curbing bullying than the Catholic schools. Our local public school took in "refugees" from the Catholic school who were bullied for being different from the stereotypical Catholic students. These were great kids, just with different backgrounds and skin colours.

But again, I think it has more to do with the students than the staff. You can have all the anti-bullying posters in the world, but if the class laughs with a bully, the bullying will continue. If the class so much as glares at the bully...it's over.

I'm glad your youth leader sounds well adjusted and happy. May we hear more similar stories from more schools in the future.
 
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My daughter has been a vocal advocate for LGBTQ+ students, ate lunch with a largely LGBTQ+ group and counts many among her closest friends.
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Wow. Wish there had been more kids like her in my day. "Gay" and "faggot" were still common slurs in those days. "Fairy", too. Things were starting to change then, but I didn't see much evidence of it.

Interestingly, Waterloo had some kind of gay and lesbian (not sure trans was talked about as much in the 1980s) research and advocacy group housed on campus when I was there ('84-'88). Forget the name. She should see if they are still around when she gets there.
 
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Wow. Wish there had been more kids like her in my day. "Gay" and "faggot" were still common slurs in those days. "Fairy", too. Things were starting to change then, but I didn't see much evidence of it.

Interestingly, Waterloo had some kind of gay and lesbian (not sure trans was talked about as much in the 1980s) research and advocacy group housed on campus when I was there ('84-'88). Forget the name. She should see if they are still around when she gets there.
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My day as well, which was 7 years later.

I'm proud of my daughter. She'd be a good friend to have.
 
It wasn't said in my time (more unspoken) but you could feel it even if you were straight ... made you feel bad for anyone different or alien ... consider the stranger of Galilee ... then if empathy was delinquent ...

Folk won't hear of it ... the elimination and denial of variation continues today in the driven monoculture wars!

The powers declare ... we won't have it and thus diverse items depart ... essentially coming apart at the seems ... manifest?
 
I found childhood and adolescence badly marred by the extreme homophobia of the culture. I'm very straight, having unsuccessfully tried to become a lesbian in my early 20s because all the men were just too awful. I was called a fairy in Grade 4 for choosing to take a male part in a Shakespeare play (the Jester in As You LIke It). My best friend in high school was a gay man. I could protect him from the bullies then. I couldn't protect him from AIDS. Two of my three children identified as bi; one of them currently presents as asexual, the other is in a straight relationship. My super helper at VBC snacks for four years now does not consistently identify with either gender. They wore a man's suit for their Gr 12 grad instead of a gown, but showed up last Friday in a very hot leather zippered mini-skirt...

I am so grateful for the level of inclusion shown by our congregation.
 
An observation open to foreign intelligence can reveal strange things ... I had a friend in my career application that was asexual ... that caused peculiar responses in the rest of the group that was certain about things they had no idea about ... being certain of which side of an entangled line they were on when the dame thing incarnates as ∞ it spins around exposing a one sided enigma ... all that we don't presently know and suffer insentience? Bad sentence! Thus salient ... Sally?

Are there small infinites that are scattered?
 
There are folk that believe they can control what is larger that them, and there are those that know they can't ... and still more that can differentiate between these 2 factions ... coming forth is we folk that just observe from the shadows as "pixels" of the hard to envision type ...

Imagine dark pixelations ... Tiny Black Holes that can erupt anywhere anytime and consume all decent intelligence ... abstract psyche? Thus inflation on both sides ... may be related to Demiurge ... as the item takes off in 2 directions ... maybe mores ... isn't that a spread? Requiring mediation ... hoo death ought ...

Resolution? Possibly 7 shades ... all on dah Lamb ... light humor, or humid? Outraging ...
 
Although I am no longer a Licensed Lay Worship Leader, I still lead worship occasionally. Yesterday I was at the largest United church in our city. It was a really tough passage that I tried to make sense of, but it seemed to go okay. There was a guest organist too and fewer choir members than usual...a typical, summer Sunday, I guess. But I enjoyed it, even though I miss attending my own church. If anyone wants to see the youtube video, message me and I'll try to give you the link. I'm not as Bible smart as many here are, but I like to tackle scripture in a hopeful and uplifting way when possible.
 
Our service was a bit of a clusterfeck, partly due to yours truly. No matter what I tried, couldn't cast the power point to the screens. Fortunately the visiting rev coped okay, we used hymn books, etc.
 
well we had an special congregational meeting right after church. We voted on 2 items, a new inclusive mission statement and on becoming Affirming. Both members and adherents could vote. 95.5% in favour of new mission statement and 94% in favour of becoming officially Affirming. It was a 2 year process, started after attending a Flourishing workshop with Carmen Lansdowne. I was part of our working group. Yay Highland Hills United, in Minden ON has caught up with our Region! It is the 3rd church i have been a member of while they went through the process and became Affirming.
 
Lovely service today. Rev reprised a Palm Sunday service she wrote that we livestreamed during covid. It was very well done. Big guy managed the lights; I did a monologue.
If you watch it, start at about 10 minutes; it was a technical difficulties morning.
 
I didn’t want to start a new thread for this, but this is kind of sad and shocking (I understand why but it’s still a bit shocking and disappointing that they felt the need). First time in centuries. Not a big deal to secular people - there’s bigger news in the world - but it’s contentious cultural (and political) moment in history now, for a time honoured religious tradition that was taken for granted, to be stopped like that (because of the Iran war).

www.ctvnews.ca

Israeli police prevent Catholic leaders from celebrating Palm Sunday Mass at Jerusalem church

Israeli police prevented Catholic leaders from entering the Church of the Holy Sepulchre to celebrate a private Mass on the Christian holiday of Palm Sunday for the first time in centuries, setting off a wave of criticism from the United States and others.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca
 
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It is a certain urge to eliminate that witch doeth not follow powerful (Judean) laws of loss and losing it ... that small thing ... hang onto wit? Don't be witless ...

Resolution was difficult because of the stoned nature ... they were told not to construct it that way ... but what can you do to inform the determined ... causes indeterminants to flush out ...

It is said that that island ... Kharg has to go as well oiled ... so much untold ... especially about the end dore ... very mystical, especially with all ayes watching ...!

Mani's loosing ... when it was saith: "get behind me ..." WHO? Well that was fixed and mistake ... who' Seth that ethereal comment? Listen up ... it's out there ... why? I yam not allowed to say anything about management and administration that cut the primary details ... prerequisites according to Maslow ... a stacked list?

Think of it:
  • Food
  • Clothing
  • Shelter
  • Education
  • Healing
  • Entertaining dah Lights
  • Care of soaking it up?
Is that 7 and close to the Semite Sept 'n gone ... all in a snap of efficiency cuts ... leads to market collapse because of few of the Top Guns (wheels) got around to knowing the market understanding ... profound folly? Depression? CNN said it was f' ordained but when was the question ... causing scurrying ... the rat race continues ... often reproducing ... stopping is out of the question for unknown logic ... it goes on ... watch it go ...

Shall we label it extraction, exorcism or business of execution by the executive ...? Either way it Dais ... if just to keep the up raised until the next downfall ... an empire-like resonance ... trump ETs? Health food is out given his secretary of that field ...
 
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Alas ... can we say that or is it censured ... noting that we can't get out from under such han's ...

On a penetrating note that's Peni ... with peni for thought you're screwed by administration that's above it ... above what? Deep thought ...

It is a circular process that goes about ... disturbing liners ... and lying Esters at this season ... Estrus? Bad cat that ...
 
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