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Inannawhimsey said:
And not everyone values or is turned on by Nature or Cities or Mortar n etc Churches or Deserts or etc?

Which is why sombunall peeps are bored to tears in a forest
Others find outerspace immensely dull
Others find children dreadful
And so on
For similar reasons why some people will kill to defend their meaningless bit of dirt ("Country")
Or why a mass produced cup can be a cherished item to someone who has had it for long enough for stories and experiences to have built around it...
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All of which has nothing to do with her question. Just because someone finds nature dull doesn't mean another person can't call it their "church". A lot of Christians would find my "church" not to their taste but it is still a "church". The problem with Jae's statement that she is questioning is that he completely rejected the idea that what Kay experienced could be called a "church" and @Waterfall was questioning why he thinks that way.

Inannawhimsey said:
But yeah
There r so many different ways to worship (not infinite; finite).
I still like a Wiccan way of making a sacred space wherever they are and then unmaking it
And the Internet can involve a non local Church
And we've had virtual communion here! On WC!
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As I've said before, UU'ism has the Church of the Larger Fellowship. There is no physical church, but it has a congregation, ministers, and streams two services a week as well as posting essays, sermons, meditations, etc. on its website. That said, it predates the Internet, beginning as a mail service sending services, sermons, and other materials to UUs in areas where there was no UU community and providing support to small UU groups in areas where there was no church (until they got big enough to form one, at least).
 
Waterfall said:
Why not?
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Because one person in solitude with God, while that can be a very beautiful and special thing, does not make a gathering of people of God in some kind of worshipful activity.

What I have noticed is that there are some people, note that I am not necessarily speaking of anyone here at Wondercafe2, who skip out on their responsibility to attend church gatherings, and then try to claim things like, "Oh, but the garden is my church" or "The golf course is my church" or "The old fishing hole is my church." Well, guess what, it isn't.
 
Mendalla said:
All of which has nothing to do with her question. Just because someone finds nature dull doesn't mean another person can't call it their "church". A lot of Christians would find my "church" not to their taste but it is still a "church".
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Actually I think it does?
She asked Jae why.
I gave some possible examples why and individual would think as Jae did in his response?
A Christian who finds nature boring is prolly not going to think that nature shot is church or even sacred in any way.
Clear as mud?
 
Jae said:
Because one person in solitude with God, while that can be a very beautiful and special thing, does not make a gathering of people of God in some kind of worshipful activity.

What I have noticed is that there are some people, note that I am not necessarily speaking of anyone here at Wondercafe2, who skip out on their responsibility to attend church gatherings, and then try to claim things like, "Oh, but the garden is my church" or "The golf course is my church" or "The old fishing hole is my church." Well, guess what, it isn't.
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IMHO, you only have a responsibility to go to church if you belong to one. Those of us who do not are free to meet our spiritual needs in the manner most suitable for us. IIRC, @KayTheCurler does not for a variety of reasons. Neither do I at present.
 
Mendalla said:
IMHO, you only have a responsibility to go to church if you belong to one. Those of us who do not are free to meet our spiritual needs in the manner most suitable for us. IIRC, @KayTheCurler does not for a variety of reasons. Neither do I at present.
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Christians have a biblical responsibility to gather with other Christians.
 
Sometimes it is so difficult to gather with incarnate Christians ... those that appear as isn't ... and really geared to taking what they can from the adjacent persons ... parasitic or Cana Ba'aLi stic?

With word, the god, you can do anything ... if you don't say ... just leave it as writ ... can cause some stern types to chit justly ...

Consider rich and powerful evangelists as apart from the rest of the common peoples ... a sort of trump Ian success? Then some are nick hell 'dand dimed to death ... just for the cents!
 
Jae said:
Christians have a biblical responsibility to gather with other Christians.
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Even if there is no suitable/compatible church community around? So if the only Christian church for miles around was a very liberal (not Vosper level progressive, but definitely liberal) UCCan, you would feel obligated to go, knowing that you might find, for instance, a non-literal approach to the Bible, a universalist approach to salvation, and a married lesbian in the pulpit?
 
God is determined to take man out of the Christian subtleties ... look what was done to the leader of the movement ... osh -ite ...

Perhaps that was Caesar's henchmen ... Jude's juicing the fruit of intellect of Rome ... them who crucified wise men on the Apian Way ...
 
Mendalla said:
Even if there is no suitable/compatible church community around? So if the only Christian church for miles around was a very liberal (not Vosper level progressive, but definitely liberal) UCCan, you would feel obligated to go, knowing that you might find, for instance, a non-literal approach to the Bible, a universalist approach to salvation, and a married lesbian in the pulpit?
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I'd go if I believed that there were other followers of Christ there to gather with. Either that, or I'd plant a new evangelical church.

For the record, I've been a member and/or adherent of various United Churches of Canada - in southern Ontario, northern New Brunswick, and northern Alberta. Indeed, the first sermon I ever preached was in the UCCanada.
 
For whatever reason, I think church can be in many places. It doesn't have to be

a church, mosque, Temple, UU building or gym. It can be for some a garden,

a sacred space, 5 Oakes, a river, a park, a jail cell, a hospital bed.

IMO, it doesn't have to be with other Christians. Where ever we find God, talk to God,

praise God, IMO, can be called church. It can be by myself or include the people around me and @Jae ,you don't have

to show your Christian Union Card.
 
Jae said:
Christians have a biblical responsibility to gather with other Christians.
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So gathering with God and the Holy Spirit is not considered gathering with other Christian "persons"?

Mathew 18:20

Our bodies are also temples of the Holy Spirit. 1 Corinthians 6: 19-20.
 
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Jae said:
God is not a Christian. The Spirit of God is not a Christian.
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They're out there too by Baptistes denial ... and all part of the Scottish mean relations with the bonnie Jean chap ... once know as Charlie ... who was burnt by the attributes ...
 
Jae said:
God is not a Christian. The Spirit of God is not a Christian.
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I only used that because that is what you are familiar with. So does the Holy Spirit think of our bodies as a Temple? Is it a church if the Holy Spirit is within us. Is the Holy Spirit a person as in "where 2 or 3 are gathered?
 
Waterfall said:
I only used that because that is what you are familiar with. So does the Holy Spirit think of our bodies as a Temple? Is it a church if the Holy Spirit is within us. Is the Holy Spirit a person as in "where 2 or 3 are gathered?
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1. That would depend on who is included in "our." The missionary Paul writes to the church in Corinth, "Do you not know that your body comes from God and is the temple of the Holy Spirit who dwells in you? You are not yourself" - 1 Corinthians 6:19.

2. Our bodies are not churches. They are not gatherings of people for the purpose of engaging in worshipful activity.

3. No. "When two or three people come together in my name..." - Matthew 18:20 is in reference to human persons.
 
Jae said:
1. That would depend on who is included in "our." The missionary Paul writes to the church in Corinth, "Do you not know that your body comes from God and is the temple of the Holy Spirit who dwells in you? You are not yourself" - 1 Corinthians 6:19.

2. Our bodies are not churches. They are not gatherings of people for the purpose of engaging in worshipful activity.

3. No. "When two or three people come together in my name..." - Matthew 18:20 is in reference to human persons.
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Does the Holy Spirit not dwell in our bodies? Is the physical temple merely a shell without the holy spirit? Can our bodies not be a temple?
 
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