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I loved the Bible readings today. But I am definitely feeling drained...fifth Sunday in a row leading worship. I could never be a minister. I feel absolutely wiped after. And I always worry that my messages will get worse as time goes on. I guess it resonated with a few, because a couple of people want me to e-mail a copy to them.

Are ministers prone to PTSD as well as more normal people that are said to be less than normal and thus brutal enough to not be affected by sensitivities?

There are irregularities in many Theo Raes ...

A wood worker or carpenter will call a break in the grain of a trunk ... as a dark ray ... the metaphor continues as an ironic stab ... sometimes just a naughty void ...
 
Nancy- we had to ask the Lay worship leader in our congregation to say no to outside services more often. The LLW was created with the expectation that the leaders would worship with their congregation at least twice a month.

You too need fed and replenished.
 
Made a pledge on church today -- not a financial one, but, a behavioural one.
Each of us were asked to make a committment or resolution, share with a friend, share with someone in the congregation.
It was to be a smart goal .

It is good to be part of a congregation which makes me ponder,
 
Made a pledge on church today -- not a financial one, but, a behavioural one.
Each of us were asked to make a committment or resolution, share with a friend, share with someone in the congregation.
It was to be a smart goal .

It is good to be part of a congregation which makes me ponder,


Ponderous ... th' Oze on the other side of the tapestry ...
 
I loved the Bible readings today. But I am definitely feeling drained...fifth Sunday in a row leading worship. I could never be a minister. I feel absolutely wiped after. And I always worry that my messages will get worse as time goes on. I guess it resonated with a few, because a couple of people want me to e-mail a copy to them.

Nancy, welcome to the club of lay worship leaders. Leading worship is stressful, draining. Preparation takes time and effort. And presentation - being UP for an hour, projecting to the congregation, sensing their mood, are they with you, did they get that little joke, did they understand the illustration, were they offended by that statement? Smiling. Being sensitive. Listening while the person with dementia blocks the aisle to tell you the same long, involved story that she's told you for four Sundays.
It ain't easy. And writing the sermon doesn't get any easier either. Searching for a story or something to begin, relating the scripture to the problems of the day, remembering the dynamics of the congregation and where they are theologically. Working with the music people to pick hymns that the congregation knows that reflect the message you are trying to convey. And compliments - that just raises the bar higher.
Don't get discouraged. Maybe you'll get a break soon. I haven't preached since last November. I'm ready to be called when someone needs me again. In the meantime I'm glad to be a support person and read scripture once in awhile.
 
@Seeler
Ever GOOGLE "conversion syndrome"? Some of the lynx lead on to PTSD in the DSMV connection for those disassociated ... with psyche! Thus it lies unconnected ...
 
Nancy- we had to ask the Lay worship leader in our congregation to say no to outside services more often. The LLW was created with the expectation that the leaders would worship with their congregation at least twice a month.

You too need fed and replenished.
I don't usually do this many Tabitha. I really like worshipping at my own church. This ended up by accident...and two of the 8 that I am doing in a row are at my own church. I was also asked to do 3 other churches during the same time period. I tried to get out of a couple by suggesting other people but when the others were unavailable, it came back to me. For the last 4 weeks, I was doing a 2-point charge that is Presbyterian....happens to be my old church and her sister church. It felt like going home in a way. The really neat thing is that at one of the churches, the comments afterwards are always very specific about a fact or story or idea that I shared. In the bulletin today they said: "Thank you for giving us much to think about." Also, today, the Sunday School teacher requested that we sing the same song that we sang last week because it connected with the Sunday School lesson this week. It didn't fit my theme, but we sang it anyway, and the congregation sounded great singing this old Sunday School song: Fishers of Men (which we admitted is politically incorrect and we want to change it to Fishers of Folk).
 
at Nancy- you should have also sang "put your hand in the hand of the man who stilled the ocean" Now that's a golden oldie.

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Guest preacher today was a Jewish Rabbi from the Conservative branch of Judaism. He was an interesting speaker for sure. I even learned something new, there aren't 10 commandments there are in fact 613. Ha ha ha guess it shows I never touch the book of Leviticus with a 20 foot pole. :ROFLMAO:
 
Nancy- we had to ask the Lay worship leader in our congregation to say no to outside services more often. The LLW was created with the expectation that the leaders would worship with their congregation at least twice a month.

You too need fed and replenished.

Tabitha, I've been an LLWL (or whatever - the title seems to change every few years) for about thirty years, and I've never heard this before. Perhaps its different in different Presbyteries. Or has changed with the title and I missed it.
What happens when a LLWL is asked to fill in the five weeks the minister is on holidays?
Or when the minister has a bad cold and you do two weeks, he's back for a week and then develops pneunomia and they need you for another two or three weeks. And does anyone in your home congregation keep track?

I generally let my church Council know once in awhile. They've never asked, but since I'm on Council I figure it is something I should do - maybe they think I'm sleeping in on a lot of Sundays and just not bothering with church.
I do keep track (I may do as few as 10 or as many as 20+ services in a year) and I report to Presbytery what I've been doing when they renew my annual license.
 
Guest preacher today was a Jewish Rabbi from the Conservative branch of Judaism. He was an interesting speaker for sure. I even learned something new, there aren't 10 commandments there are in fact 613. Ha ha ha guess it shows I never touch the book of Leviticus with a 20 foot pole. :ROFLMAO:

Roués are ongoing ... once started if people discover power in-law ... thye propagate ... like the vulgate ... god knows how many copies and alterations ...
 
Tabitha, I've been an LLWL (or whatever - the title seems to change every few years) for about thirty years, and I've never heard this before. Perhaps its different in different Presbyteries. Or has changed with the title and I missed it.
What happens when a LLWL is asked to fill in the five weeks the minister is on holidays?
Or when the minister has a bad cold and you do two weeks, he's back for a week and then develops pneunomia and they need you for another two or three weeks. And does anyone in your home congregation keep track?

I generally let my church Council know once in awhile. They've never asked, but since I'm on Council I figure it is something I should do - maybe they think I'm sleeping in on a lot of Sundays and just not bothering with church.
I do keep track (I may do as few as 10 or as many as 20+ services in a year) and I report to Presbytery what I've been doing when they renew my annual license.

Is this ancient licencousness? It is said to be common in elders, seniors and the lot with experience in life and what you can do with it ... aD hoch ...
 
Tabitha, I've been an LLWL (or whatever - the title seems to change every few years) for about thirty years, and I've never heard this before. Perhaps its different in different Presbyteries. Or has changed with the title and I missed it.
What happens when a LLWL is asked to fill in the five weeks the minister is on holidays?
Or when the minister has a bad cold and you do two weeks, he's back for a week and then develops pneunomia and they need you for another two or three weeks. And does anyone in your home congregation keep track?

I generally let my church Council know once in awhile. They've never asked, but since I'm on Council I figure it is something I should do - maybe they think I'm sleeping in on a lot of Sundays and just not bothering with church.
I do keep track (I may do as few as 10 or as many as 20+ services in a year) and I report to Presbytery what I've been doing when they renew my annual license.
We are told that we cannot do more than 3 in a row at any one church. That is the only stipulation. And I broke it by doing 4 in a row at a Presbyterian church, so I'll have to inform Presbytery at my next interview. They are worried that a congregation will see a LLWL in the same capacity as a minister, rather than an occasional worship leader. We have so many churches without ministers in this area that that is a legitimate concern. Usually, the most I ever do is 2 in a row and it is at my own church where I include our holidaying minister in prayers.
 
CUC really needs a program like LLWL. While our tradition of an open pulpit is nice, too many people really don't know how to do worship or have ideas that simply don't work. Back when I was chairing worship at the UU fellowship, one elder member, a professor emeritus gave good, long lecture-sermons but simply had no idea how to structure a service around them so there always had to be an experienced service leader working with him to plan the rest of the service. But even that person was generally going on experience, not any kind of formal liturgical training. And it would help fill the pulpit at congregations without fulltime ministry. Having a certified leader who could take responsibility for a service or two a month and advise the worship committee on planning in general would be good for churches like the local fellowships that have no (in the case of Sarnia) or only minimal (in the case of London) trained ministry. Basically a worship equivalent to our lay chaplains (who do rites of passage, including weddings, but don't have specific training or responsibility around worship outside of those rites).
 
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Lots of good things at church this week, with a hint of something not-so-good. Some people who get involved in churches might find it easy to embezzle money. And if any of us have a suspicion about that, we feel absolutely horrible. It goes against everything we try to be. Things are being put in place to prevent this possibility, but the individual is getting mad and will probably leave the church.
 
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