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[Luce NDs]

Hey @Pr. Jae -- You and I are not going to get anywhere on this one. I see that welcoming someone means embracing them and who they love. You do not...you say that you can welcome someone, but deny their love.

I will just say, should you do that to me, I would tell you where exactly you could stick your so-called welcome. I would stand with whom I loved. I would try to be gracious in your presence; however, I would be clear that if you wished to spend time with me, then my partner was part of that visitation. I would hope my mother understand the importance of inclusion and welcomed both of us into her house. If the people there chose not to be gracious to my partner, then, I would expect them to vacate my mother's house......or work it out with my mother.

I would NOT drop my partner due to what I perceived as out-dated and unfair lack of acceptance of my partner. My partner's inclusion would override my requirement to spend time with my brother who could not find the way to find Christian love and grace in our meeting.

Oops, natural reaction ... so different than man-made laws ... gods laws of nature bend with gravity ... even de lights ... read up on gravid lens!

 

[Luce NDs]

There are some loves which should not be Pinga. Like the romantic love a married man has for a woman who is not his wife. You disagree?



Okay.



Okay.

Our major point of disagreement Pinga is just who my brother's rightful partner is. Thing is - I believe it to be his wife.

Thus sometimes the moon doth not shine ... forms an abstract image on the cognizance ... allowing for deeper things to bust through something that some ill desire superimposed as oppressive gold digging? One never really knows the truth in this world as it lies here ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Jae:
You cannot choose who is someone's rightful partner. You can continue to have a relastionship with their old partner.

I have firsthand experience at this one.
I have a sibling who has been married 4 times. I am friendly and have been in touch with his first wife over the years. His current wife is welcomed when they visit. We are not super close, but, dont' have as many shared experiences, and visits tend to be once every 5 years.
I have another sibling who has had multiple partners since her marriage broke up. All were welcomed, though some had controls around engagement due to concerns regarding impact on others. Her husband and father of her children is a good friend and invited, along with his current wife to family gatherings.
My other siblings have each been married once, and so, I, my husband, and they and their partners have lots and lots of shared experiences. Some good, some not.
In each case, I respect my siblings partner choice and welcome them, at the same time as I continue the relationship if appropriate with an earlier model.

You cannot name who your brother loves or chooses to build a relationship with. That is his partner.
You do have a relationship with his first partner, that is awesome.

You have made a choice to exclude his partner (cohabitant, love). It is not welcoming to invite your brother, but, put landmines for his partner when she walks through. it is judgemental and exclusionary...far from welcoming.

God as love is fickle ... it can take off of do flighty things ... thus angels and eve angels ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Let me get this straight Jae. If the person your brother lives with and considers his partner attended your church she would receive a genuine welcome and full inclusion into your church family. My understanding is that you are a deacon in that church so I am presuming that you would be one of the ones welcoming her, along with your brother. Yet you cannot bring yourself to welcoming this person into your home or your heart. Wouldn't this be difficult for you? and for everyone involved?

I have a feeling that the welcome you would extend to gay or lesbian people would be similar to the 'hearty handshake of welcome' you would extend to this person.

Are hearty handshakes often extended with a burning loss of thought ... and not really embraceable? Let us be slothful and meditate onite ...

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

I would just hope that mr Rae's ex wife has the chance to move on herself and doesn't sit home waiting for him to repent and return. It might be more helpful for her to have friends who support her in this instead of insisting that she has an obligation to be stuck in a marriage that obviously doesn't work anymore.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

I remember a acquaintance of my sisters who would start telling you how her husband has left her as the first thing you get to know about her. Made you think it happened in the past months. Turned out it was 15 years ago. Sad. She blamed her whole miserable life on that fact for the rest of her life.

 

[Luce NDs]

My mother did that ... lamented the injury for almost 30 years before remarrying ... and then poisoned her new marriage with the gnashing over of the evils of men ... women are perfect you know ... till they bite ... Mack the Knife is just around the corner ... didn't disappear ... just altered the line of sight! Is dark stele still cutting ... can contribute to equitable roasting?

One must be outstanding in observation ... then those in the midst of it will tell you about Exclusion Prin. and Hoo's really out of it ... outlandish lies in reality? Hoo dah th unque ID ...

 

[Jaebius]

Let me get this straight Jae. If the person your brother lives with and considers his partner attended your church she would receive a genuine welcome and full inclusion into your church family...

They'd receive a genuine welcome into two or three worship gatherings.

....My understanding is that you are a deacon in that church so I am presuming that you would be one of the ones welcoming her, along with your brother....

Yes, that's right. (Btw, I am both a Deacon and an Intern Pastor).

Yet you cannot bring yourself to welcoming this person into your home or your heart. Wouldn't this be difficult for you? and for everyone involved?

When I'm at a church gathering, I'm serving as a Deacon and an Intern Pastor. Part of fulfilling those roles is being warm and welcoming to one and all. When I'm on my own time, I make my own decisions concerning how to live well. I am "off the clock" so to speak. Part of that living well in this particular case is being loyal to my good friend by not acknowledging my brother's extramarital relationship.

I have a feeling that the welcome you would extend to gay or lesbian people would be similar to the 'hearty handshake of welcome' you would extend to this person.

Yes indeed.

 

[Luce NDs]

Quite kohl as the Shadow knows ... it wouldn't be a true thing ...

 

[Pinga]

Jae, how many years has it been?

 

[Seeler]

They'd receive a genuine welcome into two or three worship gatherings.



Yes, that's right. (Btw, I am both a Deacon and an Intern Pastor).



When I'm at a church gathering, I'm serving as a Deacon and an Intern Pastor. Part of fulfilling those roles is being warm and welcoming to one and all. When I'm on my own time, I make my own decisions concerning how to live well. I am "off the clock" so to speak. Part of that living well in this particular case is being loyal to my good friend by not acknowledging my brother's extramarital relationship.



Yes indeed.

I'm glad that in my travels I never stumbled across your church where I would receive a 'genuine welcome' into two or three worship gatherings. So the welcome is for a limited time.
Then one of the Deacons would 'fulfil his role' in being warm and welcoming in the church but on his own time he would reject me.
If that isn't hypocrisy I don't know what is.

 

[Luce NDs]

I'm glad that in my travels I never stumbled across your church where I would receive a 'genuine welcome' into two or three worship gatherings. So the welcome is for a limited time.
Then one of the Deacons would 'fulfil his role' in being warm and welcoming in the church but on his own time he would reject me.
If that isn't hypocrisy I don't know what is.

A flame or torch of elimination and that concept was cooked ...

 

[KayTheCurler]

It seems to me that the only people who have a right to decide who their partner is would be the two people involved. If one person has left a marriage situation and has a different relationship partner now - then they do. No one else is entitled to be judge and jury on the decision. Not even if they jabber on while holding a Bible. We all make decisions. Could be our role is to just love each other and not act as if we expect everyone else to live, and act, as if they are perfect. The originator of Christianity didn't appear to be rigidly judgemental - maybe because we aren't supposed to be either.

 

[paradox3]

I'm glad that in my travels I never stumbled across your church where I would receive a 'genuine welcome' into two or three worship gatherings.

Hi Seeler,

I was wondering, too, about the welcome to 2 or 3 gatherings . . . Brother Jae sure knows how to pull our chains around here.

 

[Luce NDs]

It seems to me that the only people who have a right to decide who their partner is would be the two people involved. If one person has left a marriage situation and has a different relationship partner now - then they do. No one else is entitled to be judge and jury on the decision. Not even if they jabber on while holding a Bible. We all make decisions. Could be our role is to just love each other and not act as if we expect everyone else to live, and act, as if they are perfect. The originator of Christianity didn't appear to be rigidly judgemental - maybe because we aren't supposed to be either.

Basis of the coupling role in particular physics ... if the coupling is unsatisfactory ... the eternal passion moves on ...

Rules of mortal-gods are harder ... even if disruptive to outstanding concerns ... "an is" is mostly in the loo given institutions of mortal sense ... that may be limited/mortally if you cannot keep a good mortal down what do they drift in?

Pha Routes ... that are near nothing as pha roes? Some verge 'n increases odds on the take ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Hi Seeler,

I was wondering, too, about the welcome to 2 or 3 gatherings . . . Brother Jae sure knows how to pull our chains around here.

There is an iconic scene in American Sniper on this associated sniping ... in the evil of other demos affairs. Should we let demos crazies evolve on their own? Observe the nature and effective nurture of the use of ba'aL and chains ... are there chains down in that closed cell? Thus the wild sounds on the opus of the phantom ... some consider thus an irritable ghost ... it may come back at cha' ... like the tooth of a Black Cat!

According to some economists democracies will rise and fall with humans ... and the cycle of wiles and intelligence that is unstable in the real realm! Does this simulate the metaphor of a pen' du lum .. and thus the dum de dum toones ...Ephraim of contained chaos?

 

[Luce NDs]

Ephraim ... the 3 rd state before encountering Dan sin the Hebrew cycle ... the heated response of the parenthood?

Adulteration of the literal into the lite-R Eire device ...

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

I'm glad that in my travels I never stumbled across your church where I would receive a 'genuine welcome' into two or three worship gatherings. So the welcome is for a limited time.
Then one of the Deacons would 'fulfil his role' in being warm and welcoming in the church but on his own time he would reject me.
If that isn't hypocrisy I don't know what is.

I think that probably other ministers on WC would agree that "on the job" they have a certain obligation to welcome everyone coming in the door, no matter how they personally feel about them. I would see that as part of the job description- not exclusively for ministers. Doctors, health professionals have to keep a certain attitude as well, no matter if they like a person or not.

I am feeling this thread is getting a bit too personal. Not that Jae didn' t put some oil in the fire- but at the end, his decision not to accept the partner of his brother because of his personal convictions and the consequences affecting the relationship is just something he will have to live with.
It is the classic problem for friends when people separate- if one likes one of them but there is still conflict between them- who's friend will one remain? In some cases, you can't remain friends with both. None of us know what happened between those two, and maybe ,besides being" an adulterer", Mr. Rae is also an idiot for other reasons. Does Jae have to be siding with his brother, just because he is his brother?

 

[Jaebius]

Hi Seeler,

I was wondering, too, about the welcome to 2 or 3 gatherings . . . Brother Jae sure knows how to pull our chains around here.

Yes, I'm one of those chain-pullers.

However, in this particular case, I'm speaking from experience. Surprisingly, I know what goes on in my church - the church I've been a member of for roughly fifteen years. We warmly welcome everyone when they first come. However, in due time we practice church discipline. We don't want our parishioners to be led astray in their good Christian walks from newcomers who are engaged in lifestyles we believe to be sinful.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Yes, I'm one of those chain-pullers.

However, in this particular case, I'm speaking from experience. Surprisingly, I know what goes on in my church - the church I've been a member of for roughly fifteen years. We warmly welcome everyone when they first come. However, in due time we practice church discipline. We don't want our parishioners to be led astray in their good Christian walks from newcomers who are engaged in lifestyles we believe to be sinful.

Would divorced lifestyles be among those of which you'd deem sinful? How does one recover from that? Any better than one can recover from being gay?