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I read an article yesterday that stated that even if they have the proper equipment that the health care workers may be donning it and taking it off incorrectly.....remember this virus continues to live even after the host has died for a few months.

They are talking about placing someone who will give proper instructions to the health care workers as they do this.

It may just be a matter of not being careful enough.....or it could be more...I don't think we know enough about Ebola yet.
 
A couple of the reasons I think that Ebola is never going to become a major concern in a developed nation, in the sense that it won't spread even if a few isolated cases happen, is that in developed countries you are not going to have the same issues as they face in developing nations. In Canada (or the US or UK for example) there are fully equipped proper hospitals with wards that can be used for isolation, no real chance that medical workers will run out of gloves, masks, or those full-body suits and the likely-hood that an infected patient will lie about who s/he was in contact with is pretty slim so there would be no issues tracing/monitoring other potential infectees.

I am not so sure Rowan.....we have given up on isolating those with MRSA and it is being dealt with as an accepted evil because we cant get it under control.
 
It's probably an issue of not being careful enough. The conditions they are working in aren't great, and it's really easy to adjust something like a face mask without even realizing it. There are also many cases where they aren't using protective equipment when treating patients before finding out they have Ebola.

Even here, I see many people in labs who don't know how to remove gloves properly and I've seen people reuse gloves intended for one use.

I agree with Rowan, here people with Ebola will want to be treated for the most part. If for whatever reason someone doesn't want to give a contact, others around them would be very willing to do it for them.
 
How does one get statisical information from those who don't report anything? There isn't any is there?
 
If people are that isolated where no information is really known, it won't make a huge difference as it will probably just die out in a secluded location. If they aren't isolated, others will know and tell - people at work, people at school, neighbours etc. We already have many of the statistics to get that ball rolling.
 
Do we know how many people have survived the ebola virus and does someone somewhere know who they are?

When I think of someone in our society contracting a sexually transmitted disease I wonder how many actually 'fess up to everyone they've slept with...especially if they are married or in a relationship. Ebola would have it's own set of stigmas attached.
 
Do we know how many people have survived the ebola virus and does someone somewhere know who they are?
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No, there are likely many who were never diagnosed. Ebola has been around longer than it's discovery. We can estimate. I posted a study earlier in this thread that tracked them and household contacts for a while.

Certificates are being given out during this epidemic declaring people Ebola Free to help deal with the stigma when they are released, along with education to the community. It's still a big problem.
 
It probably will end up in the US, someday. I think it will be a limited number of cases though. Preventing travel from the affected countries isn't a guarantee. Screening at the airports and borders is a good way from preventing it's spread IMO.
There is evidence that factions not of Mexican descent are already entering America through the porous southern borders, with claims from official Joshua Katz, an Army veteran and former CIA operations officer who served as Senior Policy Advisor to the Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee who said it is “very, very, true” that ISIS may have crossed the southern border. So statements about “how and when” the Americans being tracked in Iraq and Syria are “allowed” back into the US, are disingenuous at best, a deliberate attempt to negate the dangers of the unprotected borders at worst.

Adding to the deadly mix, in early August, (http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/08...rists-could-make-dirty-bomb-containing-ebola/) a Cambridge University disease expert, Dr. Peter Walsh, sent out a warning that terrorists could actually build a “dirty bomb,” containing the Ebola virus, stating “”A bigger and more serious risk is that a group manages to harness the virus as a powder, then explodes it in a bomb in a highly populated area,” Walsh told The Sun. “It could cause a large number of horrific deaths.”

Is the US unprepared to deal with even a minor pandemic ... this doctor seems to think not ...

SO with talk of Barack Obama working on amnesty by executive order ...

'Gutiérrez, along with the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, gave Obama a wish list of executive actions and urged Obama to legalize all of the illegal immigrants that would have qualified under the Senate's amnesty bill.
After meeting with Obama at the White House to urge him to be as "broad and generous" as possible with his executive amnesty, Gutiérrez assured La Raza that Obama assured him he would take steps to "stop the deportation of our people."
@ChemGal ... IYO does this sound like screening at the border ... people need to realize the border issue, border control and security and amnesty for illegal immigrants, is not a political issue, but one vital to national security of North America.
 
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@UnDefinitive I think someone avoiding border control is going to have a tough time managing if they are also sick with Ebola. Those who go through with forged or stolen documents are still going to have a tough time pretending to be healthy and keeping their temperatures down when temperature screening is used.

Bioterroism will likely always be a potential threat, unfortunately.
 
How can you not trust a warning video with a font like this?

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It's so professionally done, it just screams, "appropriate, measured response from the medical community".
 
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Experimental Canadian Ebola vaccine wouldn’t reach Africa before 2015
Kelly Grant - HEALTH REPORTER

The Globe and Mail

Published Thursday, Aug. 28 2014, 12:43 PM EDT

Last updated Thursday, Aug. 28 2014, 12:59 PM EDT

Human trials of Canada’s experimental Ebola vaccine are expected to start in the United States this fall, but, like other vaccine candidates headed for accelerated testing in humans, the Canadian-developed injection will not be deployed to the West African outbreak until next year at the earliest.

The U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) announced Thursday that it would begin next week enrolling healthy adult volunteers in a phase I trial of a different vaccine, developed in partnership with the pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline, Inc., and based on a chimpanzee cold virus.

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The experimental vaccines could still prove useful in the current West African crisis, which shows no signs of abating.

In a bleak assessment of the future path of the outbreak, the World Health Organization warned Thursday that it could spread to as many as 20,000 people in the region and take as long as nine months to quell.

Human trials of the Canadian vaccine are expected to follow in the fall at the Walter Weed Army Institue of Research in Silver Spring Maryland, according to NIAID, which is collaborating with the U.S. Department of Defense and an Iowa drug maker on testing the Canadian-developed vaccine in humans.

“I think front of the line is pretty much where they [the Canadian vaccines] are right now,” Anthony Fauci, director of NIAID, said. “This is a trial that’s gonna start as soon as the regulatory and other aspects of it are determined.”

Dr. Fauci predicted it would take until the end of this year to collect enough data from the phase I trials – which are designed to ensure the experimental vaccines are safe and provoke an immune response in healthy volunteers – to determine if the products are ready to be sent to the front lines of the crisis.

“When you’re dealing with normal human beings who are the recipients of the vaccine, safety is paramount,” Dr. Fauci said. “It’s absolutely paramount.”

The United Nations health agency issued a strategic plan to combat the outbreak in four West African nations where it said the actual number of cases could already be two to four times higher than the reported 3,069. The official death toll stands at 1,552.

Ottawa announced on Aug. 11 that it would donate as many as 1,000 doses of an experimental vaccine partly developed by scientists at the Public Health Agency of Canada’s National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg to the WHO for use in West Africa.

Since then, PHAC has said little publicly about plans for the vaccine, known as VSV-EBOV, about 1,500 doses of which were at the time sitting in storage at the Winnipeg lab.

In a teleconference with reporters Thursday, NIAID provided the first details on how human trials would proceed, including testing of the Canadian vaccine.

In the case of the NIAID/GSK vaccine – the first scheduled to begin trials – the testing will begin with 20 healthy adult volunteers, half of whom will receive an intramuscular injection of the regular-strength vaccine. The rest will receive the same vaccine at a higher dose.

The NIAID has also arranged to test the vaccine on 60 healthy volunteers in England, 40 in Mali and 40 in Gambia.

Dr. Fauci said Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea, the countries hit hardest by the current Ebola crisis, do not have the health infrastructure in place to host a proper clinical trial, especially right now.

Dr. Fauci said he expected the phase I trial for the Canadian vaccine to roll out in a similar fashion.

“The development plans for that vaccine is really in the hands of the Public Health Agency of Canada,” he said.

“As far as the development plan, the phase I trial will proceed a little bit later than we’re starting but not too much later and then we’ll all look to the safety and immunogenicity data to determine where one goes in the development of that as a potentially licencable product.”
 
@chansen and @ChemGal EBOLA CRISIS ... I knew someone would comment on that (I thought it was pretty funny myself) ... still the Doctor in the soundtrack had some valid points about the inability for the US Hospitals to deal with an actual pandemic if the incurable Ebola virus actually does spread and mutate in North America. Temperature testing people that do not yet show symptoms is not preventative to spreading a virus that takes 30 hrs -2 weeks before an infected person shows symptoms ...

Also referenced on the sound track ....these are the questions proposed by Mike Adams ... I think they are valid questions ... although, it seems that ChemGal finds all of my posts very readily dismissed ... perhaps, others viewing this thread might be interested in looking towards Alternatives to Mainstream Information ... I for one am always skeptical of reports coming from Government Controlled Outputs and like to ask further questions ...

#1) How can U.S. health authorities claim there is zero risk from Ebola patients being treated in U.S. hospitals when those same hospitals can't control superbug infections? "Many hospitals are poorly prepared to contain any pathogen. That’s why at least 75,000 people a year die from hospital infections. If hospitals can’t stop common infections like MRSA, C. diff and VRE, they can’t handle Ebola." - Fox News (1)

#2) Why should we trust the CDC's handling of Ebola when the agency can't even keep track of its anthrax, avian flu and smallpox samples?

#3) Why were Ebola victims transported to cities in the USA when they could be given state-of-the-art medical care overseas? "Now, they are bringing in highly infectious patients into this nation that is Ebola-free. In doing so, they are violating the primary rule of contagion: isolation." - Radio host Michael Savage (2)

#4) Why is the company working on Ebola vaccines -- Tekmira -- receiving money from Monsanto and considers Monsanto to be one of its important business partners? (3)

#5) If Ebola is "not a threat" to U.S. citizens as government authorities keep claiming, then why did the U.S. Department of Defense spend $140 million on an Ebola-related contract with the Tekmira company?

#6) If Ebola is not a threat to the U.S., then why did the Department of Defense deploy Ebola detection equipment to all 50 states? (4)

#7) Why did President Obama just sign a new executive order authorizing the government arrest and quarantine of Americans who show symptoms of respiratory infections? (5)


The language of his new executive order states that government officials may forcibly detain and quarantine people with:

...diseases that are associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, are capable of being transmitted from person to person, and that either are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic, or, upon infection, are highly likely to cause mortality or serious morbidity if not properly controlled.

#8) How can we trust a government to tell us the truth about Ebola when that same government repeatedly lies about Swine Flu, influenza, Fukushima radiation, weather control technology, the security of the border and seemingly everything else?

#9) If U.S. doctors claim to be so incredibly careful around Ebola that the virus could not possibly escape from the containment rooms at Emory University, then how did the American doctors being treated there contract Ebola in the first place? Weren't they also being careful?

#10) How are U.S. doctors and health workers supposed to even identify people with Ebola when they appear "fit and healthy" right until the very end? "What's shocking is how healthy the patients look before they die and how quickly they decline. A number of the Ebola patients I've seen look quite fit and healthy and can be walking around until shortly before their deaths." - Dr. Oliver Johnson (6)

#11) If Ebola is not spread through the air as some claim, then why do doctors who treat Ebola patients always wear masks?

#12) If hospitals are good at infection control, then why did so many SARS victims contract the infection while sitting in waiting rooms at hospitals? "A government report later concluded that for the hospital overcome by SARS, 'infection control was not a high priority.' Eventually, 77% of the people who contracted SARS there got it while working, visiting or being treated in a hospital." - Fox News (7)

#13) If Ebola escapes from patients at Emory University and begins to infect the public, do you think we would ever be told the truth about it? Or instead, would the official story claim that "Ebola terrorists" let it loose?

#14) WHO BENEFITS FROM AN EBOLA OUTBREAK in the USA? This is a key question to ask, and the answers are obvious: the CDC, vaccine manufacturers and pharma companies, and anyone in government who wants to declare a police state and start rounding people up for quarantine in a medical emergency.

#15) We already know there are powerful people who openly promote population reduction (Bill Gates, Ted Turner, etc.) Is a staged Ebola outbreak possibly a deliberate population reduction plan by some group that doesn't value human life and wants to rapidly reduce the population?

#16) Why are U.S. health authorities intentionally concealing from the public the true number of possible Ebola victims in U.S. hospitals who are being tested for Ebola right now? "In an apparent attempt to avoid hysteria, U.S. health authorities are withholding details about a number of suspected Ebola victims from the public." - Paul Joseph Watson, Infowars (8)

#17) If Ebola infections are so easy to control (as is claimed by U.S. health authorities), then why are Ebola victim bodies being openly dumped in the streets in West Africa? "Relatives of Ebola victims in Liberia defied government quarantine orders and dumped infected bodies in the streets as West African governments struggled to enforce tough measures to curb an outbreak..." - Reuters (9)

#18) Why do many locals in Sierra Leone truly believe the recent Ebola outbreak was deliberately caused by government officials? "Ebola is a new disease in Sierra Leone and when the first cases emerged, many people thought it might be a government conspiracy to undermine certain tribal groups, steal organs or get money from international donors..." - The Daily Mail (6)

#19) Given that the U.S. government has already funded outrageous medical experiments on Americans and foreigners (see the NIH-funded Guatemalan medical experiments), why should we not believe the government is capable of deploying Ebola in bioweapons experiments in West Africa?

#20) Given that many vaccines accidentally cause the disease they claim to prevent (due to weakened viruses still remaining active in a small number of vaccine vials), isn't it likely that Ebola vaccines might actually cause Ebola infections in some percentage of those receiving them? How can we trust any vaccines when vaccine manufacturers have been granted absolute legal immunity from faulty products or failures in quality control?

#21) How can we trust a medical system that continues to put mercury in flu shots, refuses to recommend vitamin D to cancer patients and has been criminally corrupted to the point where drug companies are routinely charged with felony crimes for bribery and price fixing?

Sources for this article include:
(1) http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/08/04/ma...

(2) http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/ebola-madness-is-...

(3) http://www.naturalnews.com/046290_ebola_pate...

(4) http://www.naturalnews.com/046259_ebola_outb...

(5) http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/executive...

(6) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-27...

(7) http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/08/04/ma...

(8) http://www.infowars.com/u-s-health-authoriti...

(9) http://news.yahoo.com/bodies-dumped-streets-...
 
Oh FFS. Really? You're listing Fox News, WorldNetDaily, "Police State USA" and InfoWars as sources?!?

Go away.
 
@chansen ... Go away? Seriously? If you are at all interested in this topic aside from dismissing my posts ... perhaps you could direct me to more reliable sources? Or maybe you know the answers to the questions that were posed ... let's just say it is me asking the questions ... out of respect for me as a member of this forum would you consider giving answers ... or are you really not interested in this thread at all and just like to make dismissive comments because you are not willing to look for information outside of your 'comfort zone'. I only listed the sources to bait you into responding as I knew you would ... If this is a non-issue for you ... you could leave it alone rather than negating my efforts to find out what I can about it ... when it was first posted I had no real interest in it either ... then I realized that it ties into all of the other chaos being flouted by the mainstream media ... Release and Retract Beheading of US citizen - Blamed on ISIS, Downed Plane - Blamed on Russians, Israel/Gaza blamed on Hamas, Ebola - Blame Africa, Ferguson Riots - Blame the US citizens ... Open Borders-Blame Drug Wars ... It all leads to WAR on somebody ... and when those somebodies are American Citizens ... WHO BENEFITS FROM AN EBOLA OUTBREAK in the USA? This is a key question to ask, and the answers are obvious: the CDC, vaccine manufacturers and pharma companies, and anyone in government who wants to declare a police state and start rounding people up for quarantine in a medical emergency?
 
You're sourcing your info from crap, conspiracy-fueled, partisan websites with long histories of publishing stories for the purpose of inciting idiots to grab pitchforks. We need not take that sort of thing seriously.
 
That's great. Go start a riot of political indignation elsewhere. What you're looking for are people who fly off handles quickly and far. Good luck.
 
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