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The last time I got a job in a hospital, I was handed a req for blood work. Is this mandatory? I asked.

Nope.
I declined and that was that.
 
paradox3 said:
For sure. The pressure was enormous with silly games and competitions between departments. Nurses were posted outside the cafeteria to jab us on our way to lunch, too.
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Oh that's weird. But we had a hunting excursion as a lottery award for getting it so ‍♀️
That's supposed to be the shrugging/I don't know emoji.
 
ChemGal said:
Pandemics aren't unheard of though. Influenza is the one that is typically watched for, in 2099 I think the vast majority of healthcare workers should have been vaccinated for the flu as an example. Annually , I think those with direct patient contact should be getting flu vaccines too, as long as there isn't a good reason to avoid them.
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I worked in health settings from the 80's onwards. We were encouraged to get flu shots and maybe Hep B shots. The idea of a pandemic was largely unheard of. I worked with a FN community ten or so years ago. The nurse who looked after the health unit there worked at pandemic planning so I became aware of the possibility then. I didn't take it very seriously though. Why would I? It was all theory at that point.
 
paradox3 said:
Nurses were posted outside the cafeteria to jab us on our way to lunch, too
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The staff health nurse at my workplace went around to our offices to give us our flu shots. She seemed totally unaware too that she was interfering with client care. She received a lot of flak for trying to force flu shots on us. They backed off pretty quickly.
 
What do you think about people not being eligible for EI? I don’t know the labour laws, but is this going too far? After all, when people were hired vaccinations weren’t mandatory, so if they loose their jobs because conditions change, shouldn’t they be supported so that they can find something else? This doesn’t just affect single people, it could affect children/ families.
If, lets say, someone’s workplace gets modernized and the the employee can’t deal with the new technic and gets laid off because he is not up to snuff for the job anymore, they would get EI. I remember older nurses who retired earlier than planned when everything got computerized.
 
Northwind said:
I worked in health settings from the 80's onwards. We were encouraged to get flu shots and maybe Hep B shots. The idea of a pandemic was largely unheard of. I worked with a FN community ten or so years ago. The nurse who looked after the health unit there worked at pandemic planning so I became aware of the possibility then. I didn't take it very seriously though. Why would I? It was all theory at that point.
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My employer did not really have a formal pandemic plan until the 2003 SARS outbreak in Toronto. I think, though, that COVID is the first time it has been activated. Not sure even the H1N1 flu outbreak of a several years back was enough to trip it.
 
I remember years ago, when getting the flu shot one could participate in a draw that had really nice prizes, like a weekend trip. When they dropped it, all you could get was some nice candy. Lately, they had even dropped that and the nurse giving the shots had brought her own halloween candy from home to give out.
Not that the candy or the draws would motivate me, but it was a nice “ reward”- and dark chocolate is always the answer.
In a place in Germany at the beginning of Covid vaccinations, people would get free bratwurst. There were a couple of jokes made about that.
 
I like the idea of a little reward for "doing your duty". Sorta like the lollipop that went with your immunization shot you received as a child? A $5 Tim's card?

I'm allergic to the world. I can't imagine these shots help. Don't care.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
What do you think about people not being eligible for EI? I don’t know the labour laws, but is this going too far?
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I'm okay with this. I had a nurse friend who bought into some of the disinformation. We had some discussions and she just didn't understand. I told her I would not trust a nurse who bought into the disinformation and conspiracy theories. She didn't get it. If a health worker has a legitimate reason to not get the vaccine, they should be accommodated somehow. If they are merely buying into anti-vaxx crap, then too bad. No EI for them.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
What do you think about people not being eligible for EI? I don’t know the labour laws, but is this going too far? After all, when people were hired vaccinations weren’t mandatory, so if they loose their jobs because conditions change, shouldn’t they be supported so that they can find something else? This doesn’t just affect single people, it could affect children/ families.
If, lets say, someone’s workplace gets modernized and the the employee can’t deal with the new technic and gets laid off because he is not up to snuff for the job anymore, they would get EI. I remember older nurses who retired earlier than planned when everything got computerized.
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If there's something new at a company an employee refuses to follow safety procedures I don't see why they should qualify for EI.
 
Northwind said:
I worked in health settings from the 80's onwards. We were encouraged to get flu shots and maybe Hep B shots. The idea of a pandemic was largely unheard of. I worked with a FN community ten or so years ago. The nurse who looked after the health unit there worked at pandemic planning so I became aware of the possibility then. I didn't take it very seriously though. Why would I? It was all theory at that point.
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What about MMR and whatever version of dtp was being used at the time?

I'm a bit surprised a pandemic seemed so hypothetical for planning when major endemics of things like TB, smallpox, measles, polio, etc. don't require going too far back. I also don't think the HIV pandemic has been declared ended yet.
 
ChemGal said:
What about MMR and whatever version of dtp was being used at the time?

I'm a bit surprised a pandemic seemed so hypothetical for planning when major endemics of things like TB, smallpox, measles, polio, etc. don't require going too far back. I also don't think the HIV pandemic has been declared ended yet.
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Those were never seen in the same way as the covid pandemic. They never had the same impact. HIV was initially seen as only having an impact on gay men so wasn't taken seriously. This covid pandemic is very different from anything else in recent history
 
ChemGal said:
I'm a bit surprised a pandemic seemed so hypothetical for planning when major endemics of things like TB, smallpox, measles, polio, etc. don't require going too far back.
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Pandemics and endemics are two different things
 
ChemGal said:
Yes, I just figured it would make the planning seem reasonable though. Throw epidemics into the mix too.
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Not at all. And endemic is something we live with. It's manageable. A pandemic is a public health emergency. It requires an immediate response. Apples and oranges.
 
Northwind said:
Not at all. And endemic is something we live with. It's manageable. A pandemic is a public health emergency. It requires an immediate response. Apples and oranges.
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Epidemics was moreso of what I was thinking, although endemic outbreaks do become emergencies too.

In the 90s the possibility of a pandemic was certainly on my radar and I was a kid.
After my serious flu vaccine reaction there was a discussion about when vaccines would be reasonable for me and a pandemic was one of the situations brough up, although it was post SARS so maybe a little more thought to it with healthcare.
 
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