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Things are also out far for booking. Earliest my parents could get for their 2nd dose is July.
 
Interesting, as I think it was Kenney who stated that the numbers are showing a drop off in bookings for appointments, which is why they are issuing the lottery. It could be location driven, though, as we see that as well, including booking systems which have differences. (Some in Ontario use provincial booking systems, other regions have their own)
 
JayneWonders said:
Interesting, as I think it was Kenney who stated that the numbers are showing a drop off in bookings for appointments, which is why they are issuing the lottery. It could be location driven, though, as we see that as well, including booking systems which have differences. (Some in Ontario use provincial booking systems, other regions have their own)
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For 1st doses not 2nd.
I think some of the plans for 1st doses aren't ideal either. Ie. Pharmacies here run out. If I wasn't able to get it earlier for some reason - and there are legitimate reasons, I wouldn't be thrilled to go to the expo center. I don't do a lot of downtown driving, it's out of the way, parking is a hassle, etc. Kenney is in a rush to hit his opening target. He wants the Stampede and I suspect he's hoping to hit the date in June to open for Canada Day.
I don't mind if we hang out at 69% of the 12+ group with 1st doses for a few weeks while more get 2nd doses.
 
Percent of vaccines used, prior to new numbers adding in today. Alberta is the highest at 94.57% New Brunswick 2nd, 92.8%.
 
Well, most provinces aren't running lotteries.
Feel free to review the stats on this page which is for all of Canada, and does comparisons.
You can see the strategy difference between those who did not push first dosage for all prior to second dose, by using the one graph.

COVID-19 vaccination coverage in Canada - Canada.ca

COVID-19 vaccination coverage across Canada by demographics and key populations. Updated every Friday at 12:00 PM Eastern Time.
health-infobase.canada.ca health-infobase.canada.ca
 
JayneWonders said:
Well, most provinces aren't running lotteries.
Feel free to review the stats on this page which is for all of Canada, and does comparisons.
You can see the strategy difference between those who did not push first dosage for all prior to second dose, by using the one graph.

COVID-19 vaccination coverage in Canada - Canada.ca

COVID-19 vaccination coverage across Canada by demographics and key populations. Updated every Friday at 12:00 PM Eastern Time.
health-infobase.canada.ca health-infobase.canada.ca
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You think delaying 2nd doses for those in long term care is wildly better? I do not.
Watching the gap difference, I think the utilization was done well here.
 
A lottery has been proposed in SK too. Personally I consider it an disgustingly unethical waste of tax money. The money could be applied to things that benefit the populace like health care, education, LTC etc. We NEED those things. We don't need instant millionaires!
 
@ChemGal you asked a question, I answered it. I am unsure why the arguments and pushes, but, I have a sense that there won't be a good conversation. I apologize that I cannot seem to have a good dialogue with you in this thread. I am sure that I am missing something, or seeing different news than you are. I am aware that right now, I am more about celebrating the good news that we are seeing with vaccines, rather than analyzing the differences.
 
JayneWonders said:
@ChemGal you asked a question, I answered it. I am unsure why the arguments and pushes, but, I have a sense that there won't be a good conversation. I apologize that I cannot seem to have a good dialogue with you in this thread. I am sure that I am missing something, or seeing different news than you are. I am aware that right now, I am more about celebrating the good news that we are seeing with vaccines, rather than analyzing the differences.
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I don't see you backing up your statements with data. I have done o with mine.
 
To be honest, if we are going to talk about unfairness in vaccine distribution, how about the fact that a significant percentage of the world's population won't even get a first dose this year and that some countries may not see full vaccination for another year or more. That's also a serious risk for development of new variants. A few percentage points of difference between provinces pales next to that.
 
Here's a comparison of AB to ON - AB has less vaccines overalll per capita.

80+
AB 1 dose - >87.2% 2nd dose - >78.5%
ON 1 dose 87.7% 2nd dose - 40.6%

2nd doses don't fall under 45% in Alberta until hitting those under 65.
AB all eligible age categories have more than 50% vaccinated, in ON it goes as low as 42.9%
 
Mendalla said:
To be honest, if we are going to talk about unfairness in vaccine distribution, how about the fact that a significant percentage of the world's population won't even get a first dose this year and that some countries may not see full vaccination for another year or more. That's also a serious risk for development of new variants. A few percentage points of difference between provinces pales next to that.
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There is definitely a problem worldwide. I think though the federal government needs to be held accountable to what they are distributing regardless of what's happening in other countries.
 
@JayneWonders I don't get it.
People have commented how Alberta has done poorly with vaccines, and I do think things could be improved but compared to other provinces it's something that has been handled well (there are other issues I criticize much more heavily). No backup as to why Alberta did poorly. I did show evidence of it being comparatively well done here.
I make a statement, back it up with links, told it's not good enough, so I break down the numbers further. You suggested it's due to AZ, with no numbers to back that up. I show the numbers, that wasn't the case.
There's a comment about a wild difference implying Alberta is doing worse again, no back up.
I give numbers - so then it's a comment about celebrate the good.
 
ChemGal said:
Which provinces are doing better?
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If Alberta is 69% for 12+ first doses, then BC is one province doing better. BC is at almost 80% for first doses. I don't know where they're at for second yet. Most of BC has more buy-in for getting the vaccines. That will make a difference. Lotteries aren't needed. BC is using other strategies like drive-through clinics in Fort St John and other places that have lower buy-in rates
 
Northwind said:
If Alberta is 69% for 12+ first doses, then BC is one province doing better. BC is at almost 80% for first doses. I don't know where they're at for second yet. Most of BC has more buy-in for getting the vaccines. That will make a difference. Lotteries aren't needed. BC is using other strategies like drive-through clinics in Fort St John and other places that have lower buy-in rates
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Doing better for first doses for sure. Alberta has more people with 2nd doses (let alone percent). Difference in priorities there, I think advantages and disadvantages to each and I think the prioritization of long term care for 2nd doses was a good one at least. Hard to say with some of the other populations if focusing on 1st doses instead would have been a better approach.

Later on, I do think certain areas here will be a problem with anti-science ideas.
At this point though the limiting factor is number of vaccines, that will factor in later.
 
JayneWonders said:
@ChemGal - I am wondering if you didn't follow the link due to your reference to lack of data.


Just in case you did not see this image, here you go
It is from: COVID-19 vaccination coverage in Canada - Canada.ca
You can see on June 5th (latest data on this site) via the shades of green that most of the west and East are doing better than the prairie provinces, including Alberta.

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Becuase of the vaccine distribution. Alberta has used the most of it's supply.
That's not on AB, that's on the federal government and is my complaint.
 
ChemGal said:
Later on, I do think certain areas here will be a problem with anti-science ideas.
At this point though the limiting factor is number of vaccines, that will factor in later
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Anti-science ideas are absolutely a factor right now, outside of Edmonton at least.

ChemGal said:
Becuase of the vaccine distribution. Alberta has used the most of it's supply.
That's not on AB, that's on the federal government and is my complaint.
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The narrative that Alberta gets the short end of the stick in all things is pervasive. Just because it is pervasive in AB media doesn't make it true.
 
Northwind said:
Anti-science ideas are absolutely a factor right now, outside of Edmonton at least.



The narrative that Alberta gets the short end of the stick in all things is pervasive. Just because it is pervasive in AB media doesn't make it true.
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The inequality in doses isn't from AB media it's national data.
 
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