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Concerning denied logic ... irrationality rages with little responsibility!

Little thinking required ... so get a little!
 
I overheard someone upstairs on the phone in opposition to the vaccine. It's none of my business because I overheard it from down here - the upstairs door is open and sound carries - but I feel like correcting them. The misinformation makes me anxious given the situation I'm in.
 
I just don't get this. I've never had polio, diptheria, tetanus or whooping cough, although I know people who have. An old lawyer friend of mine, later a judge, has a permanently crippled leg due to polio. I would rather not have any of those diseases. As to MMR, I had both mumps and rubella, but rubella in a pregnant woman is very frightening. We all had chickenpox, and so did my kids, born just before the chickenpox vaccine. Neither were very ill, although massively uncomfortable, but I had a lover in my 20s who got it as a an adult, and he was scary-sick. And having had the live chickenpox virus makes you more susceptible to shingles.

I used to smoke tobacco (to which I'm allergic), which always triggered my always-present tendency to asthma. Every frigging winter I would get a flu that would degenerate into bronchitis or pneumonia. I welcomed the magic of the flu shot, and get it most years, even now I'm an ex-smoker of tobacco.

I just don't want to die of a disease that I could be immunized against. And if there's a small chance that the immunization will hurt me (pretty unlikely, as my body is practiced at this "stimulate immune response" stuff), well, it's like saying I'll never drive a car again because I could get in a not-at-fault accident and die.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
but I feel like correcting them. The misinformation makes me anxious given the situation I'm in.
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Do you feel you have the correct information to correct them with?

My decision is an individual one based on a variety of previous experiences and personal research.

So it should be for everyone else. Each of us should make our own judgements about what we do.

Nobody should be forcing anyone to have a vaccine, and nobody should be hurling abuse at someone for deciding to have it.

I remain steadfast in my insistance that vaccines never be made MANDATORY.
  • It’s unfortunate that the lockdown zealots are already using those who have not been vaccinated as a means to maintain restrictions on our lives and even extend them permanently. I find this exceptionally frustrating, and very ironic. The latest so-called ‘relaxation’ of the rules about care home residents, especially those who have been vaccinated, still subjects them to disgraceful isolation from most of their families and completely undermines the purpose of vaccines. This shames our society and the ‘experts’ so keen to promote this continued barbarity. Regular readers of these pages will know that my mother-in-law’s death in a home two weeks ago came too late even for the latest ‘concession’. Why I’ve Had the Jab – Lockdown Sceptics

PS ... My 98 year old father in law has had an injection of a sort that I do not know. He is doing fine and barely even remembers having had it at all. I do not worry him suffering adverse events any more than I worried about him getting 'covid' ... I hope that he makes it to at least a hundred ... being that every birthday he always says 'I hope I don't die too young' ... any which way ...I hope he dies peacefully in his sleep.
 
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Ritafee said:
I remain steadfast in my insistance that vaccines never be made MANDATORY.
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Mandatory for what? International travel? That ship sailed many decades ago. You try and fly to Africa without a yellow fever vaccine.

For school registration without documented medical doctor exemption, probably due to immune system irregularities, genetic or oncology related? That ship has also sailed in most jurisdictions.

But I don't know of any jurisdiction that "requires" a flu shot for anything, and despite the more likely negative outcomes of this coronavirus, I can't imagine we'll consider it, except, maybe, when it comes to LTC homes, and even then, they have never mandated a flu vaccine to residents/families, only "strongly recommended it".

Interestingly enough, I doubt that the union to which I belong, would stand behind mandatory vaccination of front line employees.

What encourages me, outliers notwithstanding, is how many people are eager to get the vaccine. Voluntary herd immunity. (y)
 
BetteTheRed said:
Mandatory
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as in you will not be able to escape getting one. I do know of people that are now having their children outside of the established systems in order to avoid vaccinations. They home school them and do not even register their births. For some people it is that important ... these people are not hiding in the woods ... they are not ludites either. Any way ... they are attempting to build their own networks of like minded groups that will support each other ... I understand that if I want to travel I will probably have to get a vaccine. If I want to travel bad enough I might even do it ... but I would rather that it was not compulsory. I hope that in the future it will become less so ... not more so. Keep in mind that for the wealthy ... it is still always a choice.
 
Rita mentions people who have kids, don’t register the,, home school them all to avoid vaccinations?? Avoiding doctors too I assume

the idea that parents would rather their children get a disease that could negatively affect their lives in always mind boggling to me. It’s because we have vaccines that these people consider the diseases minor. They We’re not and are not minor diseases and it’s a very sad decision. IMO

to go to Brazil I had to get a load of shots, and had to have a additional to my passport to prove yellow fever. And I fact it was closely inspected when we landed in Brazil. No little card, no entry
 
What we don't know because of passion and illogic appears to disturb the thinking of much of the social system!

Then of course if you don't believe a social order exists ... then it is denied.

There are people that say nothing is excluded, not denied ... and thus I say this is out there ... the fallacy claiming nothing exists ... and thus it is missing something in part of the darkened mire ...

This sort of rejection of social logic may leave some people isolated as they search for total freedom and nothing of the sort as responsibility!

Here we are a virtue of dissociation! A good distancing ... by arms measure ...

Some folks even get quite emotional about not having a hug some by creeps wishing to hug eM ... in my childhood town there was an individual known as Jack the Hugger ... I guess he was autonomous ... just for the sake of isolated chaos ... irresolvable fluid until your are part of it and in open Eire! An essence or phantom?

Something obviously smells in the system in part ... maybe he who gnoes hites ... gnome 'n? Search for homunculus? Little man theory ...

It is a scheme that is hard to shed ...
 
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I find the mixed messaging and changing plans frustrating and confusing

today CBC reported that NACI, the advisory committee , has not recommended Astro Zeneca to adults over 65 because the study data doesn’t support it, even though real world data does support it. I am ok with that. Let’s go with the study data

but in the same breath NACI is advising four months between shots because real world data shows good effects for two months. Huh?? Study data says a specific number of days. So here we aren’t using study data. Instead they are using real world data of two months and deciding that means four months is good

likely that is because of political pressure because Trudeau has been unable to get vaccines. But on one hand you cant say we have to follow study data and on the other hand say its ok to wing it

it is stuff like this that is infuriating.
 
It seems to me real world data would become more important, since it will be a larger more diverse sample and will be more longitudinal. I agree, there needs to be more consistency.
 
Northwind said:
It seems to me real world data would become more important, since it will be a larger more diverse sample and will be more longitudinal. I agree, there needs to be more consistency.
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The problem I have is the inconsistency. And I am fine with using either study data or real world data. But not both for conflicting reasons. And the real world data does not support four months. It supports two months. In theory

so then they wonder why people are hesitant


funnily our neighborhood iin Florida sent out a message. They have 700 does, first come first serve
 
I continue to live in the dark about vaccinations here is SK. I got a notification a few days ago that said doses would be going to the oldest people first, followed by those with underlying illnesses. Then the general population. Don't worry - we will phone you when you are eligible.
Problem with that is - some health care workers aren't done yet. We have 90 year olds with underlying conditions that aren't done yet. In Regina they are busily vaccinating 64 year olds. A FB friend in this community said she booked her appointment online - but didn't give the contact info.
No doubt I'll figure it out before being exposed!
 
KayTheCurler said:
I continue to live in the dark about vaccinations here is SK. I got a notification a few days ago that said doses would be going to the oldest people first, followed by those with underlying illnesses. Then the general population. Don't worry - we will phone you when you are eligible.
Problem with that is - some health care workers aren't done yet. We have 90 year olds with underlying conditions that aren't done yet. In Regina they are busily vaccinating 64 year olds. A FB friend in this community said she booked her appointment online - but didn't give the contact info.
No doubt I'll figure it out before being exposed!
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Ontario's plan is all laid out on the province's COVID website and my health unit has theirs on their site as well, including a page showing clearly who is currently eligible in the region (we are a bit ahead of the province's timeline, but not by a lot). And that's the main issue I see in Ontario. If you only listen to the province, you might miss the fact that your health unit is ahead of (or behind) the province's timeline.
 
ChemGal said:
Yikes! That sounds like a waste of people's time and an inefficient way of doing things.
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In Ontario, this is being done for certain groups (like healthcare workers, whose vaccinations are often being booked through employers rather than with the provincial booking system), but the ones eligible by age call a booking line or book through a web portal. They don't get called that I know of.
 
Mendalla said:
In Ontario, this is being done for certain groups (like healthcare workers, whose vaccinations are often being booked through employers rather than with the provincial booking system), but the ones eligible by age call a booking line or book through a web portal. They don't get called that I know of.
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I get it via workplacce, even then codes were emailed out here which is a little more streamlined. Some issues, but that came mostly from those who had to gather lists of names/the places they got the info from of who should be getting them, some weren't up to date on things like people being on mat leave.
 
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