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When our county gets vaccines for the public, they have readied a plan they call Hockey Hubs. Not sure if this is just us or province wide. It sounds well thought out. There will be 150 client pods in five rows. Each row has one nurse. Who goes pod to pod giving the vaccines. The client stays put and is processed by a non nurse. And the clients stay while waiting post vaccine. But because there are thirty pods in each RNs row he or she just keeps moving along. Able to do five times the number of clients per day.
our arena has already had the ice removed. partly because the province closed indoor skating and for our small town too expensive to maintain without hockey and skating. Partly to get ready

now we just need the vaccines

our health unit has 140,000 people. One death. Usually tone or two cases a day. Currently 26 people on self care at home, none in hospital. pretty good record
 
Interesting to read about the Hockey Hub @Lastpointe. This morning I read a short piece in the New York Times about vaccine clinic in the Salisbury Cathedral in England. Along with vaccines, people are treated to extraordinary pipe organ recitals daily - offering a wide diversity of music, played by several organists. The church leaders wanted to offer the space so that many who have been so very isolated in their own homes would have an opportunity to come into this special sacred space in their community. The medical folks thought it to be a good venue for its easy access and 'drafty' atmosphere - no worries about stagnant ventilation causing virus spread! The community members are enjoying the time they must wait after injection - while they sit and enjoy the amazing music. I thought it would be quite wonderful myself!
 
Sacred is a very interesting word ... albeit not well understood due to confinement of individual thought! Sometimes taken to mean hidden ... like mental patterns as knowledge and such is said to be evil by some factions!

Yet I am indeterminate about the potential outcomes ... some oppose this hostilely as they are determined as a Golden R's ....
 
Still no info about phase 2 here and I do hear a fair bit of criticism with how sliw it is. I'm wondering if it really is a bad thing though I think a fair bit changes depending on how much and what vaccines come out. I just hope there's good data behind the scenes about populations so plans can be announced quickly. I do wonder about identifying people. I think most of us with an immunodeficiency are on connect care. People with diabetes on the other hand would probably take a lot of work to verify.
 
I am curious about what (if any) system is being used to keep track of all these shots. Is it recorded 'somewhere' that person A received the 1st shot of a particular vaccine? Who is responsible for knowing when the 2nd one is due and ensuring the patient knows? Will the records be kept for a LONG time in case a vaccine causes problems later?

My immediate area doesn't seem to have given all the first group their first shot yet.
 
KayTheCurler said:
I am curious about what (if any) system is being used to keep track of all these shots. Is it recorded 'somewhere' that person A received the 1st shot of a particular vaccine? Who is responsible for knowing when the 2nd one is due and ensuring the patient knows? Will the records be kept for a LONG time in case a vaccine causes problems later?

My immediate area doesn't seem to have given all the first group their first shot yet.
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Great question! especially now that they're saying astrozeneca's vaccine isn't all that effective against the new variants of Covid.
Does anyone know how these things are being monitored?
 
Waterfall said:
Great question! especially now that they're saying astrozeneca's vaccine isn't all that effective against the new variants of Covid.
Does anyone know how these things are being monitored?
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Well, just to start with, it will vary by province...
 
KayTheCurler said:
Who is responsible for knowing when the 2nd one is due and ensuring the patient knows?
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When my niece who is an ICU nurse got her vaccine, she got a slip of paper with her name, what vaccine it was & recall date on it. She of course will keep good track of that. People who perhaps have some cognitive impairment, or those less organized may not. So I don't know if there's any follow-up call if people don't appear for their repeat dose - I would guess probably there is.
 
Waterfall said:
Great question! especially now that they're saying astrozeneca's vaccine isn't all that effective against the new variants of Covid.
Does anyone know how these things are being monitored?
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Here the plan is to put it in the usual vaccine records. I've ordered mine in the past typically most flu vaccines don't show up as they aren't typically done at public health centers ie. The ones done in grocery stores I think even the university health clinic one wasn't listed. In this case though they will be including any of the clinics in the records. They will be on connect care and for those who don't have access they can see it on myhealth records- anyone can set it up here although not everyone chooses to. It will be there though.
 
I did hear of the Senior who was given her Covid shot at her LTC. Then she was moved to a different LTC and given another shot. Sounded to me like no one was checking records!
 
Waterfall said:
Great question! especially now that they're saying astrozeneca's vaccine isn't all that effective against the new variants of Covid.
Does anyone know how these things are being monitored?
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We had to sign that we are going to have the second one. At registration, they send you the appointment for your second shot by email. NS is holding the second dose, so no worry of not having enough.
I also got a card with the type and date of the vaccination. There was a 5 page paperwork to fill out ahead of time and bring with you.
My mother’s nursing home had the vaccination team come in over three days. They did a test two days prior and had the paperwork filled out in advance.
 
How folks can be happy about putting the alternate down so they can feel better under the GR!

Thus we chose the elect! Usually with the resources to forget the consequence ...

If one can deny consequence ... does anything matter?
 
Looking at the numbers, Ontario, Alberta and Sask can't really do much now. All have used up more than 95% of received doses and per capita seem to be on track for 2nd doses considering what they have. Alberta and Ontario have used more than 30% of their doses for the 2nd dose. Sask is around 22%. BC seems to be lagging on the 2nd doses, Manitoba has done more than them, and they have less people. Quebec is carrying on with their plans for 1 dose only for now. I saw a headline that Manitoba is looking to buy vaccine on their own, the article was behind a paywall though. I know here that was mentioned at one point, not sure if Manitoba is further ahead of that actually happening.
 
Just saw that online haven't looked for any details yet but nothing seems off from info I have seen before.
 
Putting this here, as I am in disagreement regarding the bashing of the current government, and in particular personal attacks.

It is written by someone in my family, and I fully support it.

"People complaining about Trudeau's vaccine purchases have never done risk management or had to think about throughput.
Things that drive the Canadian Government's behaviour:
1) When buying, the government didn't know which vaccines worked.
2) Canada doesn't have any internal vaccine production.
3) If you can't control the virus, the first to vaccinate is the first to recover.

First, these purchases were all to subsidize the manufacturing process for vaccines of unknown quality - it's money for speed, with the complete knowledge that not all vaccines would result in something to inject. You calculate how many doses you need, divide that by the chance of success and buy that many - across multiple vendors.

Second over purchase from multiple sources is how you deal with regulatory risk from bad actors like Europe. You make sure they come from different regulatory regimes with different supply chains. Again, money for speed.

Finally, if you want to get people vaccinated fast, parallelism is _important_. The more sources of vaccine you have, the more likely you are to get what you need faster. With vaccines, once into manufacturing, you can have nine women make a baby in one month.

I foresee, a secondary market developing, either through Canada not taking delivery (and getting a refund), or Canada reselling or donating doses that aren't required. However, this will be after they have enough _supply_ to match their ability to deploy. Until then, they will accept any and all vaccine deliveries. They will work to fill their delivery pipeline with overflow passing down the chain."

I will look forward to seeing the stats regarding the manufacturing of the vaccines and the distribution of same by country.
 
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