Covid 19 Vaccine

[Northwind]

Former meaning the don't hold early shipments for 2nd doses. Many provinces aren't holding onto some specifically for the 2nd dose. The delay isn't planned for them though just Quebec and BC from what I've seen.

I don't think the delay is actually planned. It is cited as a possibility.

 

[ChemGal]

I'm not a scientist so can't answer that. Dr Henry and her associates have considerable knowledge and experience. They know what they are doing (as much as anyone can under the circumstances) or consult with those who have more experience

It's a gamble. They haven't bern studied that way. WHO put out a statement too. The gamble may work but I would like to see a trial before doing it it that way on a large scale.

 

[Northwind]

It's a gamble. They haven't bern studied that way. WHO put out a statement too. The gamble may work but I would like to see a trial before doing it it that way on a large scale.

Well take that one up with Dr Henry too then.

I won't be among the first to get the vaccine so am taking a one day at a time approach.

 

[ChemGal]

I don't think the delay is actually planned. It is cited as a possibility.

Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry and Health Minister Adrian Dix updated B.C.'s plan to immunize its population against COVID-19 in a briefing on Monday.

A total of 24,139 people in B.C. have received their first shot of the COVID-19 vaccination as of Jan. 3, and the province aims to provide vaccines to 3,300 people a day for the next two weeks. The second dose of the vaccine will be administered 35 days after the first, in order to maximize the number of people with some level of protection against the virus.

 

[ChemGal]

Well take that one up with Dr Henry too then.

I won't be among the first to get the vaccine so am taking a one day at a time approach.

Large scake vaccination programs have an effect on everyone.

 

[Northwind]

Large scake vaccination programs have an effect on everyone.

I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is I'm not getting my knickers in a knot about it. My impression is that the public health people making these decisions are doing it after careful consideration.

 

[ChemGal]

I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is I'm not getting my knickers in a knot about it. My impression is that the public health people making these decisions are doing it after careful consideration.

I would rather think critically than just go along with everything. Especially when there isn't data to support doing something like delayed dosing on large scales. There's the unplanned issues that may come up to factor in too which can delay further.

 

[ChemGal]

Pfizer pushes back after Quebec delays second vaccine doses, says data doesn't exist

Quebec is under increasing pressure on vaccines—from two sides, with accusations that it needs to speed up, and also that its efforts to speed up will backfire. Some of that pushback came from Pfizer.

beta.ctvnews.ca

More info on delayed 2nd dose.

 

[Northwind]

Vaccine schedule

This is from the article and reflects Dr Henry's style better:

"Henry said for now, second doses are being delayed to about 35 days after the initial shot, but that it won't decrease their effectiveness."

Further:

"It's a monumental task and there are many months left to go in this," Henry said. "We are constrained by logistics and also by how much vaccine we are receiving, but we're optimistic, and we are focused intensely on making sure we protect people in long-term care and assisted living as quickly as we possibly can – and of course, protecting those most at risk in our communities."

As I'm following this there's a doctor from Toronto saying this is the time to get the vaccine to as many people as possible. It's not the time for perfection.

 

[ChemGal]

There's a more pro article in the globe and mail. I do agree with this part in it though. Provinces need to get going faster. Albertans aren't happy with the slowness here and we're 2nd in the country for rate and the fastest large province. Get going on using up more than a quarter or half that's been provided and then bringing up going off the recommended schedule is more reasonable.

However Fisman said Canada has bigger vaccine concerns right now because we just aren’t vaccinating people fast enough on the suggested dose-schedule.

“Right now we are vaccinating slower than we are getting doses, so it’s sort of a moot point in Canada,” he said.

 

[Northwind]

I would rather think critically than just go along with everything. Especially when there isn't data to support doing something like delayed dosing on large scales. There's the unplanned issues that may come up to factor in too which can delay further.

I'm not just going along with everything. I'm also aware that I don't have the expertise to critique everything in minute detail. I'm thankful to be in this province and appreciate how it's been handled here overall. I'm not saying the way this has been handled perfectly for the record.

 

[ChemGal]

Vaccine schedule



"Henry said for now, second doses are being delayed to about 35 days after the initial shot, but that it won't decrease their effectiveness."

Where's the evidence for that? Pfizer is coming out and saying not to delay they did the studies for their own vaccine.

 

[Northwind]

Where's the evidence for that? Pfizer is coming out and saying not to delay they did the studies for their own vaccine.

I don't know. I'm not a scientist. I'm guessing Dr Henry and the BCCDC can answer that.

 

[ChemGal]

I don't know. I'm not a scientist. I'm guessing Dr Henry and the BCCDC can answer that.

I'm fairly certain there's not enough information at this point to make the statement. 28 to 35 days isn't a huge delay so for Moderna I do think it's less of an issue. 21 to 35 days for the Pfizer one is more of a problem And what if there's a blackout fire etc?
With Quebec I'm not even sure what their delay is planned to be I think their current plans are to go even longer.

 

[Northwind]

I don't think BC is stuck on the 35 days. As Dr Henry was quoted as saying this is "for now".

 

[ChemGal]

Going way back to the military comments I wonder if we'd be faster if the military was trained to administer instead of using healthcare workers. Locsl healthcare would still need to be somewhat involved most likely but overall giving the injections is slow. I saw it stated that at the current rate in ON it would take a decade to get to everyone based on 2 doses IIRC.

 

[Northwind]

They do have a retired general involved in Ottawa. I do agree, that kind of person can help with the planning and distribution.

 

[Ritafee]

I want it now.

Tell me what you want what you really really want ... you want this?
Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine EUA Fact Sheet for Recipients and Caregivers (fda.gov)

 

[Northwind]

This is an interesting article describing how they've decided to stop holding back the second dose in favour of getting more people vaccinated.

Why aren't governments reserving second doses of the COVID-19 vaccine anymore?

 

[Lastpointe]

Apparently part of the problem was that Trudeau had said we wouldn’t be getting our vaccine until January. Remember back when he said that. Was because we didn’t make it. Of course no one makes it and everyone was getting pre ordered shipments from Belgium.

so then with the uproar that ensued, suddenly he got a whopping 250,000 doses in December. But that was a surprise to everyone who was working on the plans for vaccinations to start in January. So no one was actually ready

interview with head of Shopperes tonight. They are ready to vaccinate. They have now been doing flu shots for years. Government had not asked them. But he says now are in ”talks”. And of course there are thousands of drugstores, including Shoppers.
you could set up centers in school gyms. My Naples news has a article about drive through vaccination centers. Drive in roll up your arm. Now that seems odd to me as you generally wait for 10 minutes after a shot to ensure you don’t have reactions but it at least is trying to get people vaccinated