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I'm not sure the doses sent were considered first and second, just first doses or whatever. It seems there are options to decide how to use them.

Where does the "35 days" come from? I understood the second dose has to be given after so many days in order to give the first dose a chance to start working. It seems to me that 35 days fits in with that. BC expects to have enough for second doses when the appropriate time comes.
 
Northwind said:
I'm not sure the doses sent were considered first and second, just first doses or whatever. It seems there are options to decide how to use them.

Where does the "35 days" come from? I understood the second dose has to be given after so many days in order to give the first dose a chance to start working. It seems to me that 35 days fits in with that. BC expects to have enough for second doses when the appropriate time comes.
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It's stupposed to be 21 and 28 days for the 2 mRNA vaccines.

Where the 35 days comes from, I don't know, maybe your MLA can inform you?
 
Northwind said:
I'm thinking 20-something days so that sounds right. My understanding that was a minimum, not a deadline.
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It's a schedule, not a minimum.

Health Canada says that for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA vaccine to work best you need two doses 21 days apart. Based on studies of around 44,000 participants, Health Canada says, the vaccine "was 95 per cent effective in preventing COVID-19 beginning 1 week after the second dose."

Pfizer director of corporate affairs Christina Antoniou repeated this saying the vaccine is to be administered 21 days apart, and that individuals may not be optimally protected until at least seven days after their second dose of the vaccine.
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montreal.ctvnews.ca

Quebec's decision to delay second Pfizer COVID-19 doses frustrating for some health-care professionals

Quebec's decision to delay the second dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine this week to inoculate as many people as possible with a first dose is causing concern for some health-care professionals working on the front lines.
montreal.ctvnews.ca

I don't expect this to be perfectly done for everyone, but when planning for a delay, that just means those who miss it at the 35 day mark (which will happen) are going to have it even further out from what has been studied and approved.
 
Variations in dosages ... possibly due to authority not reading the technical information ... or not understanding the intelligence provided!

Can such a deficit be imagined as a void? There appears to be holes in leadership pride about knowledge ... Trump took it all!
 
main frustrated that Trudeau skates in his paltry few vaccines I don’t want the country to wait until next seltember for most of us to have the opportunity. I want it now. Health care workers, police, front line workers, elderly and working on down. But no. Let be happy with our 250,000 doses
 
Lastpointe said:
main frustrated that Trudeau skates in his paltry few vaccines I don’t want the country to wait until next seltember for most of us to have the opportunity. I want it now. Health care workers, police, front line workers, elderly and working on down. But no. Let be happy with our 250,000 doses
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I have noticed, though, that almost every Western country is complaining about vaccination, even the US. They may be better than us, but still aren't moving fast enough for some, even some health authorities. And there's another 1.2 million doses due in this month, so that 250K really is just the beginning. And the EU is actually behind us, having just approved their first vaccine over the holidays. Ditto China though, with their usual efficiency, they plan to vaccinate 50 million people by the Lunar New Year, which falls on Feb. 12 in our calendar this year. Still a drop in the bucket given the size of their population, but enough to cover most of their health care sector at least.

The other issue is that Trudeau does not have much control once the vaccines are distributed to the provinces and we have definitely seen some issues at the provincial level. IOW, we can't pin all the blame on him.
 
Waterfall said:
Although how do you give vaccines to facilities in outbreak? Can vaccines be given when you test positive for Covid? Will they test this before they give it? Or just give it anyway?
Right now Ontario has over 250 facilities with a Covid outbreak out of 626 long term care facilities in Ontario....so i guess they should start with the unaffected
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In my mothers nursing home, they did a covid test the day before they started vaccinating. Now, they did not have any outbreak in the home at that time- but Berlin in general has high incidences.
The vaccinating in nursing homes seemed to be going well because it is easier to organize, on the other side, they are having trouble organizing vaccinating people living at home. They created large centres for that purpose, but expected the 80+ people to call in for an appointment - and in the news today, people were saying that their daughter spend 3 hours on the phone to do so. And what about seniors who don’t have capable relatives. Still bugs to straighten out. Its interesting how the history / experience in Israel with collective initiatives and thinking has resulted in their success in vaccinating the population.
 
ChemGal said:
It's stupposed to be 21 and 28 days for the 2 mRNA vaccines.

Where the 35 days comes from, I don't know, maybe your MLA can inform you?
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I was just speaking my understanding. I don't pretend to know. If that's when the second dose is supposed to be administered the public health folks are expecting to have the supplies to do that. I don't think there is any plan to stretch the time between doses beyond what is recommended.
 
Northwind said:
I was just speaking my understanding. I don't pretend to know. If that's when the second dose is supposed to be administered the public health folks are expecting to have the supplies to do that. I don't think there is any plan to stretch the time between doses beyond what is recommended.
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Are you saying Henry hasn't stated a 35 day schedule is the plan? There's a few articles mentioning Quebec and BC aren't following the standard schedule. There are other countries also focusing on vaccinating more people and not doing the 2nd dose on the schedule used in the large clinical trials. There's a fair bit of discussion around it. I think this should have been discussed much better earlier - clinical trials could have been done to match wants. It sounds like companies were focused on high efficiency as fast as possible where many places just want as many people as fast as possible whether or not the protection level is high. The issue with that is now we don't know how effective delayed 2nd doses will be. It's essentially an experiment and we shouldn't be doing this level of experimentation IMO.
 
ChemGal said:
Are you saying Henry hasn't stated a 35 day schedule is the plan?
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I am saying they are using the current supplies to give as many people the first dose as possible. The idea being that will help. I am also saying they expect the vaccine will start rolling in more regularly so they will be able to give the second dose in a timely fashion.

This is the first place I've heard the number 35 in relation to the vaccine.
 
Northwind said:
I am saying they are using the current supplies to give as many people the first dose as possible. The idea being that will help. I am also saying they expect the vaccine will start rolling in more regularly so they will be able to give the second dose in a timely fashion.

This is the first place I've heard the number 35 in relation to the vaccine.
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Multiple provinces are doing the former. Quebec and BC have been reported for the latter.
 
It would be easier to support the get 1 dose to as many as possible quickly and delay that 2nd if it was coming from the provinces who were vaccinating the quickest with what has been received. It's not. So why not just do it properly with what has the proper studies to show it's effective rather than gamble?

www.ctvnews.ca

Coronavirus vaccination tracker: How many people in Canada have received shots?

Canada has administered 86,063,579 doses of COVID-19 vaccines so far, in a landmark effort against the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca
 
ChemGal said:
Second dose of vaccine to be delayed for British Columbians so more can quickly get the first shot Older article which also mentions 35 days although it skips the fact some should be getting the 2nd 21 days after the first so not as clear if this was the dosing planned for both.
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The article says "about 35 days"

Also from the article:

In the midst of this deadly second wave, University of Toronto infectious disease expert Dr. Allison McGeer, a member of the nation’s COVID-19 Immunity Task Force, says rolling out the first dose as quickly as possible is the right move.

“If we delay for a few weeks the second dose, it’s not going to make any difference to people,” said McGeer.
 
Northwind said:
Former and latter?
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Former meaning the don't hold early shipments for 2nd doses. Many provinces aren't holding onto some specifically for the 2nd dose. The delay isn't planned for them though just Quebec and BC from what I've seen.
 
ChemGal said:
It would be easier to support the get 1 dose to as many as possible quickly and delay that 2nd if it was coming from the provinces who were vaccinating the quickest with what has been received. It's not. So why not just do it properly with what has the proper studies to show it's effective rather than gamble?

www.ctvnews.ca

Coronavirus vaccination tracker: How many people in Canada have received shots?

Canada has administered 86,063,579 doses of COVID-19 vaccines so far, in a landmark effort against the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca
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I'm not a scientist so can't answer that. Dr Henry and her associates have considerable knowledge and experience. They know what they are doing (as much as anyone can under the circumstances) or consult with those who have more experience
 
Northwind said:
The article says "about 35 days"

Also from the article:

In the midst of this deadly second wave, University of Toronto infectious disease expert Dr. Allison McGeer, a member of the nation’s COVID-19 Immunity Task Force, says rolling out the first dose as quickly as possible is the right move.

“If we delay for a few weeks the second dose, it’s not going to make any difference to people,” said McGeer.
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Right I think the info on Jan 4th is more clear. There's a planned delay specifically to give more people a first dose rather than following the standard studied protocol.
 
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