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Mrs.Anteater said:
No vaccine the same as no medication is “ totally safe”. There is always the possibility of allergic reactions or side effects. Similar no vaccine is 100% preventing you from getting Covid. That’s why they give you numbers.
And- no, the same way that we believe the earth is round we also believe the information we are getting through the media. Very few people have actually seen the earth being round. There are, however, a whole bunch of good logical arguments for it. But- you are free to belief the earth is flat. Make sure you don’t fall off the other end.
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The world can't be flat because there is still stuff onit Cats would have pushed the stuff over the edge if it was flat.
 
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Well, I hate to have to say this, but I also don't believe there have been enough studies on children (1-16) in order to give them the Covid vaccine. There have already been recent links to heart problems with those with no prior problems.
That being said, I have wondered if the vaccine could or would affect a child or even adults reproductive system. Does anyone know or have any information on that? Or is it even possible?
I am aware that pregnant and breast feeding mothers have been told to get a Covid vaccine because they are considered high risk.
 
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None are approved for 1-11 anyhow, which is why discussions about what happens with school in the Fall are going to happen. And the heart problems go older than that so if we are going to take that into account, we are back to no one under 30. Except that here that group has a fantastic vaccination rate now so it is a bit late.

Are you thinking in terms of things like causing infertility or are you actually thinking of it affect germ cell DNA so that something gets inherited? Since the vaccines use mRNA, the latter is not a concern as far as I know. It wouldn't make sense as it does not alter DNA.
 
Waterfall said:
Well, I hate to have to say this, but I also don't believe there have been enough studies on children (1-16) in order to give them the Covid vaccine. There have already been recent links to heart problems with those with no prior problems.
That being said, I have wondered if the vaccine could or would affect a child or even adults reproductive system. Does anyone know or have any information on that? Or is it even possible?
I am aware that pregnant and breast feeding mothers have been told to get a Covid vaccine because they are considered high risk.
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So you disagree with all the 12-16 year olds who have been vaccinated so far? What would you like to see done differently?

For the reproductive system the only concern that seems reasonable to me would be based on immune response. Like the blood clot issue, unlikely to be a common problem.
 
Mendalla said:
None are approved for 1-11 anyhow, which is why discussions about what happens with school in the Fall are going to happen. And the heart problems go older than that so if we are going to take that into account, we are back to no one under 30. Except that here that group has a fantastic vaccination rate now so it is a bit late.

Are you thinking in terms of things like causing infertility or are you actually thinking of it affect germ cell DNA so that something gets inherited? Since the vaccines use mRNA, the latter is not a concern as far as I know. It wouldn't make sense as it does not alter DNA.
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To be honest I was thinking about the thalidamide babies and the lack of research before giving the mothers thalidamide.
Not that it is related to the mRna but that it is related to a serious lack of long term studies.
 
Waterfall said:
I am aware that pregnant and breast feeding mothers have been told to get a Covid vaccine because they are considered high risk.
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Some I know did study the effects in pregnant women. Will see if I can pull up what was put out.
 
ChemGal said:
So you disagree with all the 12-16 year olds who have been vaccinated so far? What would you like to see done differently?

For the reproductive system the only concern that seems reasonable to me would be based on immune response. Like the blood clot issue, unlikely to be a common problem.
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I think the 12-16 year olds are low risk for Covid....but that its their choice if informed.
 
ChemGal said:
Some I know did study the effects in pregnant women. Will see if I can pull up what was put out.
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Ive seen the studies....they are ongoing, after all the vaccine results have only been measured in months not years, so we only know the results thus far.
 
Redbaron said:
I've got my 2nd vaccination booked for later this week.
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Patty and I got ours on the 13th. 2 daughters get hers on the 30th and the third gets hers on July 10 (she is getting a different immunization this Friday so has to wait two weeks)
 
Waterfall said:
To be honest I was thinking about the thalidamide babies and the lack of research
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I think that the world is pretty different now.

I worked in the Research Office of the Faculty of Medicine at U of T for about four years. "Protocols" from the early 1960s (the thalidomide babies) to the mid-1980s (when I worked there) had become exponentially careful. We'd gone from "experiment away on humans" to "you have to sign 400 pieces of paper to harm a mouse" in about a generation.

Vaccines and vaccination are "normative" now. There are certainly people who shouldn't vaccinate, based on a history of poor responses, an allergy to some ingredients, etc.

But s**t, if I had to line up not to get polio or smallpox like they did two gens ago, I'm right on it.
 
To conclude my lecture, these vaccines are as "new" to our pharmaceutical protocol, as yearly flu vaccines. Get the jabs, unless you shouldn't.
 
Since April, I have observed a strange phenomenon here--the odd person actually still wearing a mask in grocery stores and banks! None of their employees wear masks any more. How typical is mask-wearing in Canada?
4 interesting facts about Washington state:
(1) Flu is now virtually unheard of. So conspiracy theorists claim that Flu is often misdiagnosed as Covid-19.
(2) People I know typically reject vaccination because they believe it alters DNA in a serious way. I know a geneticist who vehemently opposes this claim.
(3) No Washington residents have died from the vaccine.
(4) People here are constantly talking about "Covid fatigue" as a prime reason for the great drop-off in vaccinations in the past couple of months. Of course, we've had the Pfizer vaccine since early January.
 
Many viral disorders cause chronic fatigue disorder ... because these signs of chaos in the natural order wear the deceived down ... as if they accept that disorder isn't normal!

Nature may have had a flip in mind too ... quantum observation is science as the science is oblivious to a great mass of stoics ... may be attached to God's funny side that may include serial repetition ... so really weird stuff can be repeated ... C' apish, or pete as the dark stuff underfoot to be understood better ... even in Siberia it burns so as to identify with the burned earth concept ... ochre? Used in the art of image creation ... as it comes to mine ... a dark hole!

The stuff from that that can be drawn ... or druid in past tense ... ever get that sense that something was extracting your senses ... that feeling of going ... diaspora and uncontrolled scattering? These are thoughts that we cannot grasp due to hard sensations ... near stoic!
 
@Nancy your astrazeneca is just fine. Having a 2nd of it would also be just fine.

It's about risk. There was a very low risk that hasn't been seen with the others. Previously, that risk was acceptable as compared to not having a vaccine and getting covid.
 
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