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The operative word, Jae, in your sentence is "coming out". Why would it be someone from outside? What if someone in the church that you've known for years were to come out as transgender?

(Yes, I've been there. One of the IT team at my wife's faculty, who I knew when I was a student there in the eighties, went from "Charlie" to "Charlotte" a couple years ago. Because I don't see her regularly like Mrs. M does, I still forget about her transition sometimes.)

in that hypothetical case, wouldn't that bestrequire someone with some experience with LGBTQrstlnemp3withasideofmayo?

remember what happens when someone encounters something for the first time -- the unknown -- from outside of their Belief System...empathy,
compassion, etc are easier when dealing with something familiar

especially with something so rare as a transsexual
 
How do you know you don't have such a person Jae????
How do you know they are not there hiding in plain sight?
Probably like me they are holding that secretly in their heart and keeping the truth from you because they are afraid.
Consider that please
what practical suggestions do you have for Jae?
what practical suggestions would you have for someone for who we are an unknown, and i'm not just talking aboot theoretical here?

and so it goes
 
Absolutely fixed people do not get along well with strange things ... look at Roman attitudes about Middle Eastern Sense of Ancient wisdom ... scholars say that world was far ahead of modern man.

Isn't that a strange process variance from obstinate fixations ... Jos'h BLTXFX!
 
The operative word, Jae, in your sentence is "coming out". Why would it be someone from outside? What if someone in the church that you've known for years were to come out as transgender?

Good questions there Mendalla, but we don't have anyone at my church who is transgendered.

Mendalla said:
(Yes, I've been there. One of the IT team at my wife's faculty, who I knew when I was a student there in the eighties, went from "Charlie" to "Charlotte" a couple years ago. Because I don't see her regularly like Mrs. M does, I still forget about her transition sometimes.)

Okay.
 
How do you know you don't have such a person Jae????
How do you know they are not there hiding in plain sight?

I perceive that we don't RitaTG going by both my noticing people's physical appearance as well as what my intuition tells me. Add to that, I simply know no reason why someone who is trans would want to participate in such a conservative church as ours. I'm sure they'd be much happier and accepted at the United church in our neighborhood.
 
Jae says:eek: he goes on appearance & intuition.

Does he know that appearance "lies" there as in the re definition of incarnation (found in de Lexis) and intuition is an unconscious state (possibly as result of emotional bust/outburst) ... like where god rests in the unconscious state so those wishing not to know can bury themselves in a pile of intuition and thus be unconscious sole (singular of soul a plural demos). Now that's an experience ... perhaps like N OBI di eL seizes!

Omega ode the stuff we don't want to know is endless .. a pseudonym fore 'd the ... and thus it wends IT's way ... wobbling like light itself the in organic nature of word itself in unseen bier ... the carrier thereof? The "c"? ID could be an emotional anachronism ... a thin form of an alla iJ of Baca's Veil and that satyr out of ceria-like distant places ... that isn't that abba'd if abba'd down with the monster ... the san man? A'soul without mortal I'z Asian ... who is oriented due to Eire a' a maqon sources of icons? Believe not the icon ... but the symbol beneath it? Much stone turning required ... and thus the moving of mountains of information (intelligence unseen)! It it cannot be said legally ... hide it in moral metaphor and refresh them as they fade ... that's how chi goes ... a lost love replaced bic loo's ... odes-sah ... the head thingy if you can fig Ur!

Isn't the soul a wonderous mystical thing when working ... fermenting ... turning up unknowns like a cesspool? Didn't Y-Zues mention that in Piscine parable ... into the wends? Mire rejected words ... didn't follow proper rule of gra mere ... thus unlawful, immoral and un-ethical ... possibly causing some fattening or lipid-like function of fattening ... production of a spot of more brae int' issue ewe' in lan-Olin ... knock Z-mah character?

I believe I'm getting a head of myself ... like in the 'De-the Sails Man ... the magi carpet fails, or feints in exposure to the solar winds ... thus carved in a hard place ... within the obstinate so they can't see the subjective case ... a hard bode an device? Some what Jared when set free ... of earthy confinement ... approaching cause moe logics? The spell varies ... in the organ of thought ... word yet unseen as an Aare a'Nun thing? The sound of muse IӁΣ of de "zhe" of infinite potential of failure and success of getting out of the present state of excess gravitas ... a form of avarice! Not kohl, or in-:cool: ... like the mole in from the kohl'Eire ... Valekaries ... M supporting Niches ... belying up to the measure ... the Rod of Moses? Belle I'n up to the bare -L?
 
I perceive that we don't RitaTG going by both my noticing people's physical appearance as well as what my intuition tells me. Add to that, I simply know no reason why someone who is trans would want to participate in such a conservative church as ours. I'm sure they'd be much happier and accepted at the United church in our neighborhood.


I wouldn't trust my noticing people's physical appearance - I have known several women who's preferred clothing was plaid shirt, jeans and hiking boots, who were broad-shouldered and who toed-out a bit when they walked across a room - yet I've had no reason to think that they were trans. And just recently I sat at a meeting and listened to the person behind the podium. A bit chubby with a pink-cheeked round face, light borwn hair falling slightly below the ear, gender-neutral shirt, soft voice - if I hadn't recognized his name and met him off-and-on for over twenty years I might have thought him female. No, I don't think I could be sure if a person way trans - especially if they tried to hide it.

As for why they might want to participate in a conservative church - they may be attending because this is the church they grew up in, it is the church their family attends - they may be attending to please their parents. Or, they may hope that somehow they can change to become what the conservative church considers 'normal' or 'clean' or 'acceptable to God'.

I too think they might be happier and more likely to be accepted in most UCC congregations.
 
Jae ...... intution ... hmmmmmmm ..... not exactly a reliable tool......
You have no idea how hard we will work at hiding ourselves in your midst.
We know the rejection and condemnation we will receive and we are very afraid of it.
Intuition will not do it .... we are very very careful around you.....
Now to be clear ...... with very few exceptions youth do not have a "choice" of which church they attend.
They are still under your care ..... and your care can be a living hell for them.
Sooner or later pastor ..... sooner or later you will have to deal with this......
You have an opportunity now to prepare ...... would that not be the spiritually responsible thing to do?
 
Jae ...... intution ... hmmmmmmm ..... not exactly a reliable tool......
You have no idea how hard we will work at hiding ourselves in your midst.
We know the rejection and condemnation we will receive and we are very afraid of it.
Intuition will not do it .... we are very very careful around you.....
Now to be clear ...... with very few exceptions youth do not have a "choice" of which church they attend.
They are still under your care ..... and your care can be a living hell for them.
Sooner or later pastor ..... sooner or later you will have to deal with this......
You have an opportunity now to prepare ...... would that not be the spiritually responsible thing to do?

If what you say about "Sooner or later" is true RitaTG, trust me - it will be much, much later. What we do at my church (and I know we're not alone in this) is to warmly welcome everyone, and to treat one and all in a spirit of Christian love. We encourage everyone to live at their best, and take steps to ensure that each one us doing so.
 
If what you say about "Sooner or later" is true RitaTG, trust me - it will be much, much later. What we do at my church (and I know we're not alone in this) is to warmly welcome everyone, and to treat one and all in a spirit of Christian love. We encourage everyone to live at their best, and take steps to ensure that each one us doing so.
Sorry Jae ... I do not trust your ability to handle it or the so called welcome ...... Leelah is still on my mind.
 
*shrugs* That's your choice RitaTG.
..a shrug ..... appropriate response I suppose.....
.... I have come to expect that from you......
And you and your church have made the choice to turn your back on us.....
Choice ..... you are correct in this regard ..... our response comes down to choice......
 
White Noise ... or ... Vanilla Skye ... that white essence of continuum ... Semite? Many are anti Semite thus the funny white glove syndrome ... something not to be touched --- Macky's Intuition! One must probe the myth ... get right into the wash of Ur autonomous nature ... sort of metaphor for the wave ... Awakening as a Shining Dark Hole spewing jet ... a po'lye understood thing out there! Spatial dissonance ... Eris is ...

Then a shug is an indication of who cares ... if a person is to care for self & other ... is that integrally everything. If you miss parts, or eliminate something is part of god gone? Details, details!

Does create a paradox for isolated Christians ... what?
 
..a shrug ..... appropriate response I suppose.....
.... I have come to expect that from you......
And you and your church have made the choice to turn your back on us.....
Choice ..... you are correct in this regard ..... our response comes down to choice......
Have we turned our backs on you RitaTG, or have you turned your backs on us? An apt question.
 
My wife digs really deep holes to plant perennials, I haul away clay and she replaces it with rich soil, bone meal, manure and peat moss so she will have happy plants.


Anyway last night she went so deep, that her shovel hit a clay pot, probably somewhere in the Middle East. She broke open the pot and pulled out a very ancient scroll, and because I am a know-it-all she asked me what it said.


I said give me a minute and I will decipher it. So I took it in the bathroom and clicked a few pictures of it and then used my handy ancient greek translation app to find out what it said.


Interestingly, it was a story of Jesus being brought a woman who was caught in adultery, and he was asked what should be done with her. He, wanting the best outcome, stooped down and started writing all the answers he could think of and the probable outcome of each response. Finally, he stood up and said, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”


Then he bent back down and erased his writing and started writing down things that he might say to her if they did not kill her. Well, they didn’t kill her, but as one of the people who wanted to stone her, shuffled off, he kicked dirt over part of what Jesus had written.


Jesus writing was much like a doctors as even he had trouble reading it sometimes, But he stood up and read to the woman, “ Where are those who condemn you?” She replyed,”None are left, Rabbi.”

So Jesus looked down and read, “Then neither do I condemn you, now go and,” His writing was illegible, beyond that so he just blurted, “Have a nice day”


She ran away gleefully, and he slapped his forhead, because he knew that wasn’t quite right.


A couple days later, the same woman, fleeing the same crowd, for repeating the same crime, ran to the same spot where Jesus had saved her and remembering what Jesus said, she turned defiantly to the crowd and shouted, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”


They all looked at each other in amazement and then as one hurled their stones and she was immediately buried in what is still known to this day as Tell Mia Story.


Roughly translates as “The Self-Righteous Sexually Immoral Rock.”


Never know what you will learn with a crazy gardening wife.


Jesus saves us from all sin, but he does require us to turn from that sin and follow Him.
 
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