Bible Study Thread: Luke

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paradox3 -----your quote ----Just think of the sibling rivalry that could have been avoided


unsafe says ------Jesus didn't cause the sibling rivalry ----Martha causes it for herself from her lack of Spiritual insight ----which happens with all unbelievers -----they just can't get it -----they are Blocked --veiled by the enemy -----all they see is their worldly view which is prideful ---selfish and feeding their ego ----and wailing in self pity ----Martha was acting the way she was suppose to for the worldly realm she was in -----Mary was acting rightly for the Spiritual realm she was in ------she was focused on God ----not the world ------

unsafe says ----Mary had her

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What if the contrast is between one who knows her vocation and just does it, and one who is driven by "shoulds". If Martha was really secure in her role of service, she wouldn't have complained. Non-voluntary labour is grudging, breaks dishes and curdles milk.
 
unsafe said:
unsafe says ------Jesus didn't cause the sibling rivalry ----Martha causes it for herself from her lack of Spiritual insight ----which happens with all unbelievers -----they just can't get it -----they are Blocked --veiled by the enemy -----all they see is their worldly view which is prideful ---selfish and feeding their ego ----and wailing in self pity ----Martha was acting the way she was suppose to for the worldly realm she was in -----Mary was acting rightly for the Spiritual realm she was in ------she was focused on God ----not the world --
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Such a polarized view you have of the world, unsafe . . .

And so much judgement in your pronouncements about "unbelievers" as you see them.
 
BetteTheRed said:
What if the contrast is between one who knows her vocation and just does it, and one who is driven by "shoulds". If Martha was really secure in her role of service, she wouldn't have complained. Non-voluntary labour is grudging, breaks dishes and curdles milk.
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I dunno . . . I think some of Martha's resentment is understandable.
 
paradox3 said:
I dunno . . . I think some of Martha's resentment is understandable.
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I agree. I have spent most of my life as the Little Red Hen. It gets the work done, but man, it creates a world of resentment which rarely bubbles to the surface, but sometimes when it does, it's pretty damned angry.
 
paradox3 said:
Oh yes. "I will do it myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.

Are you talking about church life @BetteTheRed?
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Oh, yes, but not just church life, "home" life. I was the caretaker of our mother until she died. I am the keeper of the family stuff. If s**t happens, it's usually because I either did it, or at least started it. My life, as the oldest child, has been a constant hamster wheel of "if it is to be, it starts with me", and too often, damn well finishes it.
 
And my godde, the resentment.

One day, last spring, my middle sister called me. She's never again repeated the words, but in an almost prepared statement, she told me how much she regretted any judgment she had ever made against me as a caretaker of our Mom (and OMG, she made lots, and shared her opinions, fairly freely), as she'd just assumed care for her MIL, who had recently been diagnosed with dementia.
 
I am an oldest child as well, with a very disabled brother.

Nowadays, dealing with an elderly parent who is declining, I am often asked if I have a sibling who can help out. The question makes me crazy but I understand it is asked innocently.

Yeah, I am a Martha by default. What choice do I have?

But I am also a Mary.

It was Sylvia Dunstan (author of many hymns in VU) who suggested in a sermon we all have a Martha and a Mary inside of us.

Yeah, I think so.
 
paradox3 ---your quote -----And so much judgement in your pronouncements about "unbelievers" as you see them

unsafe says ---and by your statement here your so much judgemental of me for my Spiritual view of Martha and Mary ----OH How Easy it is to be judgmental ----it is the Pot calling the kettle black --I think ----

And here is the thing there paradox3 ---The Scripture describes very clearly what unbelievers believe and how they act -I just believe what the Scripture says ---Many just can't handle the truth of Scripture ------it upsets them -----Martha is in the world and lives in the world -----Mary lives in the world but she is not of the world ----that is the difference between them -----


True Believers live in this world but are not of the world -----and that is also Scriptural -----


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unsafe said:
and by your statement here your so much judgmental of me for my Spiritual view of Martha and Mary ----OH How Easy it is to be judgmental ----it is the Pot calling the kettle black --I think --
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I am not judging you unsafe. I am not even disagreeing with you, really. Your interpretation of the Martha and Mary story is a common enough one.

I am interested in exploring other possible nuances to the story, that's all.
 
I think we have different ways of showing and doing "love"......Martha's way of showing love seems just as valid to me as Mary's. So it does offend me somewhat that Jesus didn't validate that too.
 
Waterfall said:
I think we have different ways of showing and doing "love"......Martha's way of showing love seems just as valid to me as Mary's. So it does offend me somewhat that Jesus didn't validate that too.
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I am reminded of the parable of the prodigal son. When the prodigal is welcomed home by his father, his brother is resentful and like Martha, protests.

He has been "working like a slave" he says and has never disobeyed his father's command. Yet he has never even been given a goat that he might celebrate with his friends.

The father replies, "Son, you are always with me and what is mine is yours. But we had to celebrate and rejoice, because this brother of your was dead and came to life; he was lost and has been found." (Luke 15:31-32)
 
Interesting that the visit to Martha and Mary happens right after the parable of the good Samaritan. Jesus is going on his way and enters a certain village where Martha welcomes him into her home.

I missed this detail yesterday. It was Martha who extended the invitation to Jesus in the first place!

In the story of the good Samaritan, both a priest and a Levite pass by the man who had been robbed & beaten and left by the side of the road.

Wasn't Martha acting like the good Samaritan and actually DOING something? She not only invited Jesus in, she got busy with preparations for the visit.
 
Now I am thinking that we all need balance between Martha and Mary . . . both within and without.

Taken to extreme, the doer (Martha) becomes resentful and misses the whole point of Jesus visiting her and her sister.

Taken to extreme, the pious (priest and Levite) neglect to take action and leave the man lying on the side of the road. Taking care even, to pass by on the other side.
 
unsafe says ----Just commenting on the Post here about Mary and Martha and trying to be like both ------

There is no balance between Martha and Mary in God's Eyes People ---your either with Christ or your Not -----When we try to balance between a Martha and a Mary we are infact lukewarm Christians trying to live in both worlds ----and God warns us about this ----we can be lukewarm if we choose to but we will get nothing from God -----and that is scriptural ----


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Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 3:14-22 - New King James Version

The Lukewarm Church - “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are...
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Revelation 3:14-22 (NKJV)
The Lukewarm Church
14 “And to the [a]angel of the church [b]of the Laodiceans write,

‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither[c]cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.


unsafe says -----There comes a time when we must choose to be a Martha or a Mary in God's Eyes ----Our choice to choose where we want to be
 
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