TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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He's gotten this far because he has the money to pay for it like a rock star on tour. What really bothersme are the disadvantaged people who get caught up in the hype against their own best interest. That, and nearly everything about Trump's platform.

What's it going to look like if he gets in? Here, we have Trudeau proclaiming an inclusive, welcoming, Canada and, included in that, an agreement with Mexico to end visa requirements to visit Canada and increase trade between us - the U.S. requires that they have travel visas and Trump is saying he wants to build a wall to keep out Mexicans, and people are supporting him in this - and it's bizarre - meanwhile we are one of the U.S.' closest trading partners (not the closest anymore, I read somewhere) - we're upstairs neighbours - and our country is adopting many opposite policies.

I like Bernie Sanders most. But Hillary looks like the likely democratic winner, and a more sane choice than Trump as prez.

However, we saw this before with Newt Gingritch - people didn't end up going for him. He was kinda scarey. Sarah Pallin said some jaw dropping things, she didn't get in. Rick Santorum. Michelle Bachman. Lots of spectacle and strange ideas from them and saner heads prevailed. Even Trump's competition - Carson - he's quieter, a little, but not much less scarey a prospect.
 
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What's the split in numbers down there, between democratic and republican voters overall? Do you think the swing voters are more likely to swing to Hillary (presuming she's the one) or to Donald Trump? I would guess the former, but I don't know.
 
Donald Trump has tapped into an anti-political correctness sentiment from a large segment of the American population, and with the faltering Carson, also seems to have the anti-establishment Republicans sewn up. He could ride these emotions to the nomination. There is no way he can ride them to the presidency, unless the Democrat nominee screws up huge.
 
He's tapped into more than anti-political correctness - it's base hate and xenophobia, combined with ignorance. He's put out false stats - made out of thin air - and just outright lies, and gotten a bunch of people whipped into a frenzy. But, I just read an article on a site called red state - a fairly reasonable republican (comparably) viewpoint, actually, that suggests that Trump's opponents in the GOP ought to be doing a better job of denouncing every one of Trump's crazy statements instead of ignoring him and pushing their own platforms because that's where they are losing ground - but Trump still only has roughly 20% of the Republican vote thus far. Interestingly, many on the right who are disgruntled with politics as usual, have things in common with those on the left who favour Sanders, who is doing comparably to Trump, a bit better, but on the Dem side. The article makes some crazy claims about Sanders that are new to me.

http://www.redstate.com/2015/11/23/...ng-better-democrats-donald-trump-republicans/
 
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In natural laws of action reaction ... does the reaction to Trump Cards bare some facts about the American Social Order? Is it hospitable to the unknown ... perhaps they have a different "idyllic psyche" or in echo a psychedelic thing between their ears ...

Could a real mortal dream up such a concocted story? Thus dreams must be a form of altruism ... outside forces ...

One has to love non-sense as it teaches us how not to do things if you believe in conscience ... if not perhaps you are fallout from dreamland! Good God did you see that one go bi?
 
He's a caricature of a wealthy oligarch - for real, a real caricature. It doesn't get any weirder. I thought the last bunch of Republican candidates, in the last election were like a bizarre dream too, but Trump tops them.
 
American democracy is over. Never very democratic, it has disappeared completely over the last seventy years. Jimmy Carter has reluctantly admitted that. Any American government is run by big business. In fact, that is what the American revolution was about. It had nothing to do with f reedom and equality. It was a revolution led by the very wealthy, like George Washington, who was the biggest slave-owner in the country. One reason is that they wanted to build their own empire by killing or displacing all native peoples right to the Pacific.

The U.S. has gone farther than fascism (though the latter is always tricky to define). Fascism gave big business a direct role in government. In the U.S., it has direct control of government. The American heritage from their revolutionary ancestors is a profound racism. Trump is playing on that.

And that takes him over the line into Naziism. He is very similar to Hitler in his methods and his views. That's not surprising. Both the U.S. and Canada have a history of intense racism which, in Canada, has focused on native peoples, blacks, Chinese, Japanese, Ukrainians, Jews.. It was somewhat relaxed in Canada. But it's intense in the U.S. In fact, the whole of American society is in a serious breakdown.

So Trump is their Hitler. The other Republican candidates and Hillary Clinton are just as bad, but with less flair for showbiz.
 
Canada had Rob Ford .... the Americans had to "Trump" us ...........:ROFLMAO:
What is really scary is the popularity of such views.... very very scary indeed.
 
Well, never say never - they elected a cowboy movie star at one time - but I don't think he's too likely to be elected president. He's alienating all the people he's insulting, and the Hispanic population accounts for something like 17% of the population - he won't do well in places like Florida or California at the end of the day - and black voters won't vote for him, nor will any visible minorities no matter if they're republican leaning, normally, or not - and he might also alienate the right wing Christian base because he is not making that part of his platform as per his social agenda - he has a narrow base to appeal to in the long haul. The haters. That's about it. And I don't believe that represents most of America. I hope not. No. This is a subset of really angry people.
 
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Graeme Decarie said:
American democracy is over. Never very democratic, it has disappeared completely over the last seventy years. Jimmy Carter has reluctantly admitted that. Any American government is run by big business. In fact, that is what the American revolution was about. It had nothing to do with f reedom and equality. It was a revolution led by the very wealthy, like George Washington, who was the biggest slave-owner in the country. One reason is that they wanted to build their own empire by killing or displacing all native peoples right to the Pacific.

The U.S. has gone farther than fascism (though the latter is always tricky to define). Fascism gave big business a direct role in government. In the U.S., it has direct control of government. The American heritage from their revolutionary ancestors is a profound racism. Trump is playing on that.

And that takes him over the line into Naziism. He is very similar to Hitler in his methods and his views. That's not surprising. Both the U.S. and Canada have a history of intense racism which, in Canada, has focused on native peoples, blacks, Chinese, Japanese, Ukrainians, Jews.. It was somewhat relaxed in Canada. But it's intense in the U.S. In fact, the whole of American society is in a serious breakdown.

So Trump is their Hitler. The other Republican candidates and Hillary Clinton are just as bad, but with less flair for showbiz.
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There are those in Canada that would copy perfectly ...
 
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Well, never say never - they elected a cowboy movie star at one time - but I don't think he's too likely to be elected president. He's alienating all the people he's insulting, and the Hispanic population accounts for something like 17% of the population - he won't do well in places like Florida or California at the end of the day - and black voters won't vote for him, nor will any visible minorities no matter if they're republican leaning, normally, or not - and he might also alienate the right wing Christian base because he is not making that part of his platform as per his social agenda - he has a narrow base to appeal to in the long haul. The haters. That's about it. And I don't believe that represents most of America. I hope not. No. This is a subset of really angry people.
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Is hate an idealism ... like a religion to some hard hearts? Thus castings ... osh ite ...
 
Germany put Hitler into power. Should we be surprised, then, if America elects Mr. Trump? And there but for the grace of God are we.
 
Like rob ford, trump appeals to people. Its the idea that politicians are out to only get elected

And who can really disagree. Politicians are cynical and will say what they need to get elected

Trudeau? He has now planned to do what the NDP said they would do. And everyone , including me, says, thank god they have come to their senses and arent rushing.

But basically they a now doing what the consevatives were already doing nd what the ndp said. Its politics

Promise big and then just fill part of it

Trump is different for Americans. They have had enough of Obama. And here is a fresh, non political voice. It feels better

Its stupid but that doesnt mean it wont work
 
I think, even though it was possibly shortsighted , Trudeau had intentions of fulfilling the refugee promise exactly as planned, but after Paris, and the concerns people had - he actually listened and adjusted the plan (and btw he also knows a lot of people who voted for him were would be NDP voters - he promised to listen to everybody).. But he'd be blamed one way or the other. If he listened - he broke an election promise and it was all cheap talk to get elected. If he didn't listen, people would be still flipping out right now that it's too hasty. Which, I think it was and I too am glad he slowed the process just a bit.

I think as a big business magnet Trump has had to play plenty of politics - the people shouldn't kid themselves. Trudeau the politician is more sincere than Trump the businessman ever was. Even accounting for differences in American/ Canadian ways. And Rob Ford was never an "Everyman". He played that card but he wasn't.
 
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I don't see that moving up an impossible deadline (December 31st) for an achievable one (February 28th) is breaking an election promise. It's fine-tuning in the face of reality.

It would have been a broken promise if he'd changed the number, or said he was doing it over 3 years or something, but no. It's 25,000 refugees, with a little more time for processing, especially in light of the time of year, when productivity, even for refugee processing, tends to slip a bit.
 
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Such is life ... the great rush to blame someone else so that you could say you were competitive ... thus the dissonance rackets coming out of the god-head which is really an ass end when looked at the other way ... reflection, or a ghost of thought ... thus it went ... is that out-of-here or a NDE? It appeared like a flash ... although dark ... in the stroke of a'quill heh has !
 
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