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The plot thickens. Fiorina in now in 2nd behind Trump and moving up on him. Carson is third, Rubio fourth, leaving the latest scion of the Bush dynasty flagging in fifth.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/20/politics/carly-fiorina-donald-trump-republican-2016-poll/index.html

Fiorina is a bit too conservative for my taste, but it's a sane conservatism that is very free of bluster, so I hope she keeps her momentum up. Then again, she was hardly the best CEO Hewlett-Packard ever had so CEO of a superpower nation might be a stretch.
 
Did you see the hatchet job she did on Planned Parenthood?

The entire GOP field would rather trumpet demonstrable lies on things like abortion or climate change, than tell the truth. It plays to the base, who they need to secure the nomination. But the lack of a true Etch-A-Sketch effect, because of recording devices and the Internet, should sink them in the general election.

This is a massive problem they have - the GOP base are not representative of America any more. The person who survives the primaries these days, is almost surely sunk in the presidential election because they can not escape the person they had to portray the year before.
 
And here's Dr. Ben Carson, on the possibility of having a Muslim president:

“Do you believe that Islam is consistent with the Constitution?” Todd pressed.

“No, I do not,” Carson quickly replied. “I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not.”
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http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/ben...th-matters-so-muslims-should-be-disqualified/

This is appealing to a large, large portion of American Christians. This is representative of the arrogance and stupidity problems that Christianity has today. And to make it worse, watch as no GOP nominee will rebuke him. This is one more reason why Christianity is seen as backward today, because this sort of position is appealing to so many Christians.
 
If one is devoted to naïveté ... what is the reaction? nature demands that to every stupid action there is a following reaction ... thus hermeneutics ... it just follows ...
 
I saw Bernie Sanders interviewed on Colbert's recent Late Night show. He's quite a character - a self proclaimed socialist progressive, extolling the virtues of universal healthcare, free post secondary education, and getting the corporate money out of politics. He's further left than Tom Mulcair and our NDP! And the most surpising thing is, he's been ahead of Hillary Clinton in poll numbers in recent weeks! With only citizen donations averaging $35, no superpac money. So, not sure he can keep that up but does his success mean US political consciousness is seeing a shift to the left? (Btw Trump is a buffoon. He won't get anywhere in a presidential race - he'll make whoever's running against him look smart.) all this attention on Trump and I missed Bernie Sanders on the Democrat side of things.
 
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I think it's highly unlikely that the talkign corporate money will let the Dem nomination go outside of Hilary. And yes, Trump is a side show. I suspect that Bush will get the GOP nomination.
 
Sanders has done surprisingly well without corporate superpac funds. True dems went from we want "change", to we really, really want change!

Hillary's getting flack for being artificial, not personable, not genuine. I can see that. Rumour has it, if Joe Biden ran he'd pull up ahead of her, but so far he says he won't.

But, I like what Sanders had to say. He seems genuine, a humble human being, like Elizabeth May is. Can you imagine if there was a dramatic shift to the left in both Canada and the US? In the US, it would be a huge change! Historic. And Canada would follow suit eventually as we always do.
 
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Reading up on this week's debate, and it looks like Fiorina landed a few punches. For the sole woman in the race and an outsider at that, she's looking better all the time. Seems to be a moderate, too, at least on some traditional conservative hot buttons. Her response on drugs, as a mother who lost a son to them, was apparently "more money for treatment".

If I was a Republican (like that's ever going to happen), I think I'd want her in the final race with Bush and Rubio. They seem to be the sanest of the lot. OTOH, if I was a Democrat, I'd be cheering on Trump, Huckabee, and the other whackos who are guaranteed to scare the centre into the Democrat camp.
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She's also viciously anti-choice and has been lying about Planned Parenthood ad nauseum. For the most part I would not consider her remotely moderate. The only one running who is would be former Gov. Pataki and he's only polling about 1% so he has no chance.
 
If drugs are part of the free wills ... should people have freedom here to ruin their own life as long as not infringing on others (a difficult paradox indeed). Now does this only counter republican need to control ... an expression of avarice without reverence?

Appears to be a manifestation of excess intangibles to me ... either mental or emotional offsets! Lithographic?

When the rationale is questioned will authority say hoodun IT as they never saw it coming ... a human tendency to blindness regarding ABBA'd Nous syndrome ... there's no end to it until trashing the emotions ... entering dah Rheum of Marie La Claire ... what emotional type considers loony ...
 
These elections could well be the ones that determine our direction for whatever years we have left. But both in Canada and the U.S. we are discussing trivia. That always happens because the public is dreadfully uninformed in both countries. Any party raising a major issue would be courting suicide. They have to sell themselves on local goodies and, sometimes (as with Harper and Trump) on fears and hatreds.
Today's paper had a big story about the economic stances of each party. That's a waste of time because not 1 person in a thousand has any competence to judge economic stances. And the people who have the last competence to judge what a national economy should be like are our business leaders. They invariably support the leader who will make them rich. That's why Harper has so much money for the campaign.
The economy should not be the great issue or the first one. Judgement should be made based on the social values of each political party. Do they see a society at all? If so, how would that effect what they would do? The first thing voters have to do is to decide what kind of society we want to have. Then we plan an economy to meet that need.

As it is, we start with the budget first. And that's always shaped to meet the wishes of the rich.
 
In the most recent Fox poll, Trump is widening his lead over Carson. Rubio and Bush both beat Clinton. btw, I just heard a radio talk show host call CNN the Clinton network. I think there are 3 takeaways from Trump's ascendency. (1) Americans are sick and tired of political correctness. They love the fact that Trump is not packaged like the other candidates. So many find his insults refreshingly candid, even if he is an a__hole. The black student protest movement at the University of Missouri and other colleges is generally being ridiculed as a reflection of poor parenting and political correctness. (2) Trump is also still riding the crest of approval of his tough illegal alien policy. (3) None of the other Republican candidates are very impressive/
 
Trump is not packaged? He's his own ready-made mega-brand!!

I hope that Trump is not the republican candidate. I can't believe he's gotten this far. But even if he is I hope he doesn't become president. He's just such an angry angry a-hole - full of confidence, but what else?
 
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I just found this thread (probably I was subconsciously avoiding anything to do with Trump).

#10 - Trump will support . . . the nations borders. You've got to be kidding. Give Trump a few months to establish himself and just let Canada oppose anything he wants - Caanadian oil, Canadian water, Canadian Arctic waters, Canadian independence.
I don't worry that Trump might try to build a wall along the Canadian border likee the one he proposes with Mexico. I'm worried that he won't.
 
I can't imagine the American people are stupid enough to actually elect Trump, but I've been wrong before about the depths of ignorance of our unfortunate neighbours.
 
I think the middle will swing Democrat if he gets the nomination. The problem is whether enough of them will turn out given that Hil isn't exactly beloved by them either and Sanders is probably too far left for them. They may just wish a pox on both parties and sit on their hands.
 
This will sound like an exaggeration. It's not.
The U.S. is now Hitler's Germany. Trump, in and style and even in policies, is very similar to Hitler. The U.S. also tortures, and even more than Hitler did. And it has domestic spies more intrusive than the Gestapo was. It's Jews are blacks and Mexicans and Muslims. (And it was heavily anti-Semitic throughout and after World War 2 (as Canada was.)

Hillary Clinton is not different from Trump - nor are any of the other candidates.

And America, never particularly democratic, not even in 1776, has been run by big money out of control since 1945, and even earlier. (Almost all the history of the U.S. is myth.) So it doesn't 'matter who wins. (Bernie Sanders was out of it from the start. There is no big money behind him).

The American news media has been propaganda since the creation of the modern press in the 1890s. Fox is only the worst example.

And, yes, all this will affect Canada. ( We lost control of much of our North a long time ago. Ever heard of the S.S. Manhattan?
 
Yeah. I'm afraid the Clintons are a very ugly pair. But if they were different, they wouldn't get the bankroll they need to be in politics.
As for the U.S., it has been sending its ships through Canadian Arctic waters for years without asking permission. When the Manhattan went through, it actually wasn't going anywhere, just making the point that the U.S. doesn't recognize our Arctic borders. We sent an icebreaker with it to pretend this was done with our agreement. But it wasn't.

There have been more than a few U.S. ships since then. Only one was ever stopped. That was stopped by a long line of militant native peoples with their sleds and dogs.
 
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